[arista]

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


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https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/w...ork-in-the-uk/

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by arista

Thats Crazy talk

Its on the BLM UK Site


Debated on Ridge
SkyNewsHD



https://novaramedia.com/2020/06/13/w...ork-in-the-uk/

That's just the tip of iceberg. Expect crazier demands in the weeks and months to come. Check out the demands from the Chaz protestors.

Youtube video

[Cherie]

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by arista

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...

I don't know all the ins and outs but it's more about finding a different way to work with communities. So for example, I know in the US, some of the allocation of funds to be taken from police will go into social workers to work with people instead of just throwing them in jail.

Defund the police doesn't mean scrap them and everyone can fight to the death, it means what we have isn't working, so lets try and find a better way.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Right well given people in the UK and the opposition parties have been clamouring for more funding and criticising Tory cuts of the police budget for years, its difficult to see this gathering steam here unless there is a complete about face

I dont know why some in the UK are so keen to follow the USA in everything...

100% On this.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by arista

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

Oh be quiet you clown, that’s not what it means at all

Originally Posted by Cherie

What does it mean exactly, I know they are calling for it in the US but what does it mean

Defunding law enforcement "means that we are reducing the ability for law enforcement to have resources that harm our communities," Cullors said in an interview with WBUR, Boston's public radio station. "It's about reinvesting those dollars into black communities, communities that have been deeply divested from."

So in the US they basically want to take guns away from officers who don’t need them (like 90% of them) and reinvest the funds elsewhere. Not too sure how it’d work in the UK because most officers don’t have guns? And their thuggery is generally just brute force

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by arista

They want to take away their Budget
so the Police get low funding
Then Crime gets worse.


In USA California
a Stupid Mayor in California
jumped to the news to say he is taking money
away from the Police?

You see what it’s like now ... imagine if there were fewer or no police ..





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[arista]

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

[Liberty4eva]

Originally Posted by arista

"That's just the tip of iceberg."

Sure, Yes in the USA.

But Not in the UK

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Labour have always been critical of cuts to police funding here...the government are in the process of recruiting based on an election manifesto commitment, it would be madness for Labour to support such a move.. you can.keep it on your side of the pond :

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

The UK Crazy Left
Lost big time
in the Dec 2019 General Election



No way are they getting any UK power
we are not like the USA

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Not yet, anyways. You watch. Leftists demands NEVER become more sensible and sane over time. They always become crazier and wackier.

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Said the Right Wing american in this era of Trump.

You can't gaslight the left when your country has a lunatic sanctioned and protected by the republicans in office. Employ some self awareness.

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Two things can be true at once - Trump can be a joke, and lefties can make stupid demands.They're not mutually exclusive.

I have no time for centrists that try to make out both sides are as bad as each other when it's blatantly not the case especially when it's the false brand of centrism that only exists to make one side look better with inherently flawed comparisons.

Trump holds the power and he is protected by the Senate. In the past few days alone, he has attacked LGBT rights on the anniversary of the Pulse shootings and tried to host a rally at the site of one of the worst black massacres in history on Juneteenth. Thankfully someone talked him out of the latter but it doesn't change the fact that he would have done it otherwise. Oh, and that same rally would have seen people having to sign release forms to attend in case they caught Covid since Trump is insisting on no social distancing at his rallies and tried to do so at the Republican convention when most ****ing republicans would be in the danger zone when it came to Covid.

I can keep going, if you like?

[Oliver_W]

If anything, recent events in London have shown we need more police.

[Samm]

What also needs to be done is more training. It’s a joke that you can basically just join the police with hardly no training I saw an advert on TV about just signing up for it? The job should require as much training and education as a doctor gets. With that amount of power in the position.

[Liam-]

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

The police here shouldn’t need to be defunded, the government just need to take all the money they’ve stopped giving giving to the police and invest it into areas that need it, social care, mental health, building areas up, an improved police training scheme, as people have said, people are purposely confusing things to whip up contempt for the cause, defund doesn’t mean abolish.

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Our UK Police
do not need to be defunded

Only because the Tories have been decimating their budget for 10 years anyway

[Nicky91]

not defunded i agree, but more funding towards the police, and i also agree with Samm, better training for police, more discipline

[Oliver_W]

They need more funds - better training, for a start.


But also better equipment, there's no reason that riots should be allowed to happen any more.

[user104658]

Ahhh well in the US it means take the funding that's spent on equipment, tech, guns, gas, and other weapons of war and redistribute it into things that will actually help to tackle crime at the root.

Although I personally think the best approach would be to reinvest a large part of that money into proper police training and into proper vetting of recruits.


The UK though, this feels a bit copy-cat and "we'll ask for it because the US is doing it" when the situation if far from the same. If anything, major parts of the problem in UK policing is systematic UNDER funding in the first place. Again, I'd say funnel money into better training and staffing. But there isn't an equipment budget to redirect that money from, here. Conflating the UK and US police forces is dumb.

[user104658]

Funnily enough it makes a good allegory for the entire US. If they'd take the money they spend guns, bombs, planes, drones and warships and spend it on social programmes they would solve a lot of problems over night.