[Smithy]

Why 16 year old Great Thunberg is a child and doesn’t know what she’s talking about but 15 year old Shamima Begum knew exactly what she was doing when she joined ISIS

[Mystic Mock]

I think both know what they're doing personally to some extent.

It's just that for me Shamima joined a Terrorist organisation that wanted to subjugate other countries into being exactly like them, where as Thunberg is harmless and has good ideals.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I think both know what they're doing personally to some extent.

It's just that for me Shamima joined a Terrorist organisation that wanted to subjugate other countries into being exactly like them, where as Thunberg is harmless and has good ideals.

Absolutely.

I'd agree completely here, unsurprisingly.

Although I do find it difficult I admit, to have much sympathy for anyone, even thinking of, never mind travelling to have anything to do with IS.
Even then regretting it.

I'm afraid the cynic in me would have me wondering had they really changed their view.

Whereas, I'm pretty sure Greta will not change hers, which is something to benefit the human race and the planet.
Not destroy.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'm afraid the cynic in me would have me wondering had they really changed their view.

Last I heard, Begum hasn't even pretended to have changed her view. She doesn't regret joining ISIS, and wants to come home because the caliphate is pretty much finished.

[Captain.Remy]

Both know what they are doing.

[The Slim Reaper]

There is an Irish isis bride that has been brought back and is on bail at the moment, so it's not like SB's situation doesn't have precedent.

[arista]

From Feb 2019

[Jigs]

Originally Posted by arista

From Feb 2019

afjkfjkssfjk What is this the 1990s?

[Ammi]

...I think that we have to look at their differences, not any similarities because the similarities would be quite vague, surely...they’re both female and around a similar age but the course of their lives is entirely different...I know it’s a complete simplification but one mindset is motivated by the preservation of life, the other mindset has been radicalised into placing little value on...

[DouglasS]

Is the point of this thread to try and gather sympathy for an ISIS member, because if so, it’s not going to work

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Is the point of this thread to try and gather sympathy for an ISIS member, because if so, it’s not going to work

No?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by DouglasS

Is the point of this thread to try and gather sympathy for an ISIS member, because if so, it’s not going to work

It's an interesting question. I really haven't seen anyone feel sorry Shamima though?

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's an interesting question. I really haven't seen anyone feel sorry Shamima though?

Until today on this thread

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

Until today on this thread

Excluding Nicky

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's an interesting question. I really haven't seen anyone feel sorry Shamima though?

I do feel sorry for her, as I feel sorry for anyone who has been radicalised, the "footsoldiers" of all brands of terrorism. Calling it a choice in any situation misunderstands and really underestimates what radicalisation is... in fact it's important that we DON'T start dismissing it as having an element of choice, because that leads to complacency. Also, of course, important to remember than a lot of the leaders of these groups are not truly radicalised at all and know exactly what they're doing in recruiting young.

None of that, of course, negates the fact that a radicalised individual is dangerous ... but I don't think they're mutually exclusive things. You can feel sorry for a dangerous individual whilst acknowledging that it's not safe to allow them freedom.


There is also of course the fact that an awful lot of (not very clever) people don't actually understand what "terrorist sympathiser" means. Feeling sorry for an individual who has been twisted and radicalised has nothing to do with being a terrorist sympathiser. It doesn't mean "having sympathy for someone who is a terrorist". It means having sympathy for the cause or beliefs of terrorists, which is obviously a completely different thing.

[Nicky91]

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

Having more sympathy for the isis bride than than the environmental activist with autism, is quite the take.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Having more sympathy for the isis bride than than the environmental activist with autism, is quite the take.

it is good she cares about the environment, also of course not against her autism since i myself have that too

but she shouldn't have said things like ''stolen my childhood'' when there are millions of other children in the world, for example in africa who have it way worse than her, Greta who is from Sweden, one of best economy wise countries, daughter of an actor and opera singer, and granddaughter of another actor/director

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it is good she cares about the environment, also of course not against her autism since i myself have that too

but she shouldn't have said things like ''stolen my childhood'' when there are millions of other children in the world, for example in africa who have it way worse than her, Greta who is from Sweden, one of best economy wise countries, daughter of an actor and opera singer, and granddaughter of another actor/director

The fact you're making such a bigger issue about one comment Greta made rather than.... you know, ISIS.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it is good she cares about the environment, also of course not against her autism since i myself have that too

but she shouldn't have said things like ''stolen my childhood'' when there are millions of other children in the world, for example in africa who have it way worse than her, Greta who is from Sweden, one of best economy wise countries, daughter of an actor and opera singer, and granddaughter of another actor/director

The environmental argument directly affects those in Africa too, and much worse than others in more infrastructurally advanced countries, so Greta's cause is also the cause of the child in Africa.

[Captain.Remy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it is good she cares about the environment, also of course not against her autism since i myself have that too

but she shouldn't have said things like ''stolen my childhood'' when there are millions of other children in the world, for example in africa who have it way worse than her, Greta who is from Sweden, one of best economy wise countries, daughter of an actor and opera singer, and granddaughter of another actor/director

So are we never able to raise issues because people in Africa are starving?

Well you know what, let's ask the mods to shut this forum down then since to you it is useless to discuss anything because people have it worse elsewhere.

There are millions of other children in the world, yes that's true, but also so many issues like childhood slavery, hunger, sexual violence etc She chose to fight for the environment, and where she comes from doesn't matter. And it's not like her cause is not linked to others, specifically in developing countries.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

it is good she cares about the environment, also of course not against her autism since i myself have that too

but she shouldn't have said things like ''stolen my childhood'' when there are millions of other children in the world, for example in africa who have it way worse than her, Greta who is from Sweden, one of best economy wise countries, daughter of an actor and opera singer, and granddaughter of another actor/director

So rich people aren't allowed to worry about the planet they live on?

Someone is always going to have to worse, if that was a reason to not care about causes then nobody would do anything ever

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Having more sympathy for the isis bride than than the environmental activist with autism, is quite the take.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

don't compare them pls

Greta is more a rich privileged elitist twat, she makes me laugh with her ''you stole my childhood'' comment, she has nothing to complain about, other activists with better more appropriate backgrounds can better stand up for climate, or scientists with actual data


Shamima is former isis, probably just left UK and joined them more like going through rebellious teenager phase, and she found out isis isn't the place for her, ok i would say if you are gonna allow her back in, first while under surveillance but i do think she just wants to get back into a normal life again with her husband

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