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24-09-2020, 12:05 PM | #1 | |||
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A Durham University fresher who was member of a “lads” Whatsapp group where students discussed competing to have sex with the poorest girl has been expelled.
The student, who was due to start at the university next month, has had his place withdrawn following an investigation into the “utterly abhorrent” remarks. An inquiry was launched after it emerged that prospective freshers allegedly planned to hold a competition to have sex with the poorest student they could find. Screenshots from various online conversations, thought to involve teenagers who are due to start their studies this month, were shared on the Overheard at Durham Uni Facebook page. One commented to the group: "Have I told you about the posh lads competing on ********** the poorest girl." Another wrote George Floyd, the black man who died during his arrest by white police officers in the US, "had it coming". In one of the conversations, freshers allegedly boasted that they will “shag a different girl every night”. Some of the contents of the conversation were published online, which showed incoming students appearing to discuss how they intend to sniff the drug ketamine “off the first girl’s t**s that is keen”. Following the university's investigation which involved a lawyer and an ex-police officer, one student has had his place at Durham withdrawn. Jeremy Cook, a pro-vice-chancellor at the university, said: "Recently Durham University was made aware of some utterly abhorrent comments on social media purported to have been posted by Durham students. "As we said at the time, we condemn the content and behaviour demonstrated in these social media posts, which is entirely unacceptable and violates the values and behaviours that we uphold as a University community." He added: "As a result of this investigation, which was conducted under the University's Admissions Policy, one male who was due to begin studying at Durham University next month has, in accordance with the terms of their offer, had their offer withdrawn. "This was due to his behaviour falling short of the values we uphold, as reflected in our regulations." Mr Cook said two others were found not to have broken the rules and can start their studies, while others were investigated and were found not to have any association with the university. The investigation also uncovered evidence of individuals “seemingly acting under pseudonyms, falsely claiming to be Durham University students and instigating social media conversations in order to fraudulently sell tickets for non-existent student events, including during Induction Week”. Mr Cook said they reported their findings to the police, and that investigations were continuing into other comments. https://uk.yahoo.com/news/durham-fre...170623994.html |
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24-09-2020, 12:25 PM | #2 | |||
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Why are posh, rich people always the sleaziest
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24-09-2020, 12:38 PM | #3 | |||
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Not sure that was the right decision, if I look back at my 18 year old self I said and did a lot of things I wouldn't be that proud of today, because that is what growing up and maturing involves, making mistakes and learning. An official reprimand with him being removed if there was a repeat would be enough I think.
People need to learn fast today that what they post online or even in private groups even if it just to impress their mates, etc can come back to bite them on the bum even years later
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24-09-2020, 12:53 PM | #4 | |||
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it's the environment where so much comedy originates, people really need to stop taking what others say so seriously
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24-09-2020, 12:56 PM | #5 | |||
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People often say things without Thinking/meaning it all the time And always have done , but with social media And messages now it is saved forever and can sadly be used against people. I agree it seems harsh and isn’t given him the chance to grow up. Yes he should be punished and yes he should receive a final warning, but expellation seems harsh Last edited by DouglasS; 24-09-2020 at 12:57 PM. |
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24-09-2020, 01:01 PM | #6 | |||
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24-09-2020, 01:26 PM | #7 | |||
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24-09-2020, 01:30 PM | #8 | |||
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Exactly. It reinforces that misogynistic culture that normalises objectifying women. It's the same type ****e that excuses Trumps "grab them by the pussy" line as "locker room banter".
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24-09-2020, 01:34 PM | #9 | |||
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his crime was naievty and trusting a group he had just met. anyway I am sure we had a very similar story last year, its a bit like the Giant Ants are coming to the UK at this stage
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24-09-2020, 01:32 PM | #10 | |||
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if they were 28 I would say yes, at 18 and wet behind the ears no
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24-09-2020, 01:39 PM | #11 | ||
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Again I agree, it's not even about "excusing it", you can point out that their "edgy banter" is immature and shameful and make it very clear that it won't be tolerated. I do think at that age they should get a strong warning before anything else though. Who wasn't coming out with some utterly ludicrous **** at 18.
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24-09-2020, 01:39 PM | #12 | |||
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Then we should do everything we can to stop these young people from growing older still believing that way is right, no?
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24-09-2020, 01:01 PM | #13 | |||
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I can see both sides I suppose, I understand the point Cherie is making however rape in university settings is a problem and talking about women in this way is really unacceptable and encourages that culture of treating women like objects which can lead to sexual assaults/rapes.
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24-09-2020, 01:01 PM | #14 | ||
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He must of said something particularly nasty to get the boot.
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24-09-2020, 01:36 PM | #15 | ||
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Hmmm I can sort of see both sides in that they hadn't even started University yet and it was, most likely, just "Billy Big Bollocks" chat and most of them wouldn't "shag a different girl" per YEAR at Uni let alone every night. It's sometimes hard to remember that people just starting Uni are teenagers and are dumb as ****. I know I know "they are 18 and so they are adults blah blah blah" but no, sorry, freshers are kids.
That's not to make light of it either - there should have been significant repercussions... there IS a huge problem with this stuff in Universities and (frankly)this has only gone this far because someone reported it. It happens constantly in every University and needs to be tackled. Most of it is all mouth but that's not really the point. I agree with that though - sounds like it was a fairly large group with multiple people making these "jokes" and only one of them lost their place... which suggests that that particular individual took it further than the others. My guess would be some sort of suggestion of using force/"not asking for consent" which even as a "joke" would likely have been good reason to withdraw the offer. |
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24-09-2020, 01:10 PM | #16 | |||
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Appalling, its like the **** the piggy game
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24-09-2020, 01:15 PM | #17 | |||
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Pretty sure there was a very similar story last year?
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24-09-2020, 01:20 PM | #18 | |||
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Losing his place at university is literally the perfect opportunity for him to learn his lesson and grow up
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24-09-2020, 01:46 PM | #19 | |||
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Also, people can be sensible at 18, people’s behaviour and their attitudes can’t always just be put down to their age, it’s such a cop out, maybe he’s just a sexist, classist pig? Not all teenagers are like that, most teenagers get drunk and steal traffic cones, not conspire to seduce girls and humiliate them based on their lack of wealth and class privilege
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24-09-2020, 01:53 PM | #20 | ||
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I think that's the thing though, it depends if it was a real plan or a bunch of knob-heads trying to "shock humour" each other. I personally wasn't like that in my late teens / early 20's, but I knew plenty of people who were saying that sort of stuff and it wasn't in a million years with the intention of actually doing it. They just thought they were being funny. They weren't, but they thought they were. Also I'd say that, yes, by the end of University most of them HAD grown up without a lot of prompting. University is just like that to be honest. You feel so grown up starting, then you get to the end of your final year and see the new freshers coming in and it's abundantly obvious that they're just kids.
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24-09-2020, 02:03 PM | #21 | |||
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...the thing is, when we talk about bathroom spaces and safety for females etc...we talk about females feeling their safety possibly threatened because males are the physically stronger...so something of that vein, written by males as it was...wouldn’t really equate exactly to a female fresher having written it...but she didn’t, though....we don’t really hear many stories of an equal thing but reversed to females have it said...it should be taken very seriously because it would have a threatening feeling to a female student...
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24-09-2020, 02:05 PM | #22 | |||
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I hate all this 18yr olds are kids stuff... if you are intelligent enough to go to uni you are intelligent enough to know that talking like this is wrong.
Nobody is suggesting that you are fully rounded at 18 and you won't make mistakes, be irrational or even sensible, but this is really base. . I would be devastated as a parent if my son thought in this way I wouldn't suggest that his age prompted those comments. They are driven less by libedo and more by privilege, it was totally right for the university to expect better from their students.
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There is no grey area, if you can't see that at 18 being old enough to work, study and live independently you don't belong in a university setting.
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24-09-2020, 02:31 PM | #25 | |||
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Dont unis do that ‘talk’ for freshers about respect or was that one off? Uni are about about making money now, it was easier to offload him than to educate him
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