[Beso]

https://youtu.be/f-A-ZiQsuUk

Disgusting, absolutely sick.

[Oliver_W]

What're they playing at, it's the UK, not 18th century America...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

not 18th century America...

Is it exhausting being that ignorant or does it come natural?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

What're they playing at, it's the UK, not 18th century America...

I’d honestly ban the whole crowd for the rest of the season .


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I’d honestly ban the whole crowd for the rest of the season .


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That's a bit harsh to the Millwall fans that didn't boo.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's a bit harsh to the Millwall fans that didn't boo.

They’ve tolerated all kinds of nonsense/abuse from their fellow fans for over 20 years.. maybe it’s time they did something about the problem themselves..

Presumably the ‘bad uns’ all have family , friends or work colleagues who go to the games and never cause any problems


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[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’ve tolerated all kinds of nonsense/abuse from their fellow fans for over 20 years.. maybe it’s time they did something about the problem themselves..

Presumably the ‘bad uns’ all have family , friends or work colleagues who go to the games and never cause any problems


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Oh fans going to Football games should definitely be reporting racism when they see it happen a lot more often than they do imo.

It's just I'm never a fan of collective punishment, I've said it when we had people like Gary Neville and Alan Shearer encouraging this logic when one Blues fan attacked Jack Grealish a couple of seasons ago, and I'll defend Millwall and the innocent fans that didn't boo in this incident. Punish the individual/individuals in these incidents, don't punish everyone involved with the club.

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

But surely these must be life long fans first in line for entry on the first game back..its a bad look for the club that's for sure..I had 3 friends there today who ended up on TV.. they wernt even boing but were shown in a clip on the news..

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm not 100% behind everything that BLM does if I'm being 100% honest, but booing it? No because the basic principles behind BLM are perfectly acceptable to support imo.

Trust some of the Millwall fans to give their club a bad name.

The gesture is adopted by Kick It Out, so everyone booing it isn't even criticising BLM; they're criticising the ongoing football racism group. Not that I expect Millwall fans or your usuals on this thread to understand or care about such nuances.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Shaun

The gesture is adopted by Kick It Out, so everyone booing it isn't even criticising BLM; they're criticising the ongoing football racism group. Not that I expect Millwall fans or your usuals on this thread to understand or care about such nuances.

Sadly the Millwall fans are playing to a negative stereotype that's associated with their club.

And personally I don't get why people are so against not wanting to chant racist stuff at a player. Unless you're (not you specifically) are a racist.

[joeysteele]

Well with so few of them there, it should be very easy to identify them and to ensure those so called fans don't get in again.

[Alf]

Don't bring divisive politics to your place of work then, especially when you're working for the people of the community.

Take that sh!t to social media.

Get used to it, because as long as they keep kneeling, they're gonna get boo'd, that's just the way it is.

The only way to stop that, is to leave your divisive politics at home and get on with the job you're paid for, playing football.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Alf

Don't bring divisive politics to your place of work then, especially when you're working for the people of the community.

Take that sh!t to social media.

Get used to it, because as long as they keep kneeling, they're gonna get boo'd, that's just the way it is.

The only way to stop that, is to leave your divisive politics at home and get on with the job you're paid for, playing football.

So basically, a bunch of racist snowflakes got upset over people kneeling, okay.

[AnnieK]

I don't see how taking the knee is classed as divisive politics. Although its linked to BLM, which people believe is a political movement, football have been trying to eradicate racism for years...they now have some form of symbolism to show how against racism in the game they are. Unless you are happy for black players to be called monkeys or worse, I don't see how you can boo what is nothing more than a symbolic gesture against racism

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

I don't see how taking the knee is classed as divisive politics. Although its linked to BLM, which people believe is a political movement, football have been trying to eradicate racism for years...they now have some form of symbolism to show how against racism in the game they are. Unless you are happy for black players to be called monkeys or worse, I don't see how you can boo what is nothing more than a symbolic gesture against racism

Totally agree with Annie here, whatever people's opinions are on the BLM movement, a symbol for anti racism in football is very much needed

[Beso]

Why even bother booing though, it's like a 3 second knee..then back up for the kick off..

I would be too busy munching a pie to even care about what was happening before kick off.

[thesheriff443]

It’s a two way street at the end of end day, if people want to show their support for blm by going on one knee then people should be allowed to boo because they don’t agree with.

My personal opinion is going down on one knee bollox and just for show.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a two way street at the end of end day, if people want to show their support for blm by going on one knee then people should be allowed to boo because they don’t agree with.

My personal opinion is going down on one knee bollox and just for show.

Football have been fighting against racism for years though....they now have a symbolic gesture to make a stand....how can that be bollocks??

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Football have been fighting against racism for years though....they now have a symbolic gesture to make a stand....how can that be bollocks??

Footballers receive a disgusting amount of money for kicking a ball when you have someone on minimum wage cleaning up another persons p1ss and sh1t

Stop the one knee bollox and donate money from their wages to actually fight racism in their local communitys.

Going down on s knee for a few seconds is not going to change anyone’s life.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Footballers receive a disgusting amount of money for kicking a ball when you have someone on minimum wage cleaning up another persons p1ss and sh1t



Stop the one knee bollox and donate money from their wages to actually fight racism in their local communitys.



Going down on s knee for a few seconds is not going to change anyone’s life.

I agree with this actually Sheriff; I find the signals, salutes, symbols, chants and mantras utterly meaningless if they're being done in lieu of more meaningful words and actions. In fact, it plays into something else that I'm inherently against (tribal behaviours, group thinking, collectivism) and thus its not something I'd ever do. I wouldn't boo it, though. That's just more of the same to be honest.

That said, football fans never STOP singing, chanting and group gesturing so it's a bit hypocritical in this case, and I imagine most of them are booing because they don't like the message, rather than the method.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I agree with this actually Sheriff; I find the signals, salutes, symbols, chants and mantras utterly meaningless if they're being done in lieu of more meaningful words and actions. In fact, it plays into something else that I'm inherently against (tribal behaviours, group thinking, collectivism) and thus its not something I'd ever do. I wouldn't boo it, though. That's just more of the same to be honest.

That said, football fans never STOP singing, chanting and group gesturing so it's a bit hypocritical in this case, and I imagine most of them are booing because they don't like the message, rather than the method.

Historically how has any marginalised group facilitated change?
They have galvanised, protested, petitioned or in other way's adopted symbols of solidarity.

For me these have meaning, they are a precursor to real change and most progressive policies and systems of rights
we have today initially involved groups who garnered public support with chants and mantras.

So personally I think it's great to see higher profile people sending out this kind of message, they have a greater reach and fan base to raise awareness, this in turn puts pressure on the powers that be to address the status quo.

I agree that those booing aren't too bothered about the method shown here, as you say they just don't want to see support for this cause. We could suggest reasons why... but that would be speculation of course.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

Footballers receive a disgusting amount of money for kicking a ball when you have someone on minimum wage cleaning up another persons p1ss and sh1t

Stop the one knee bollox and donate money from their wages to actually fight racism in their local communitys.

Going down on s knee for a few seconds is not going to change anyone’s life.

Lots of people earn a lot of money, having money doesn't mean you can't express support..it isn't only poor people who get to show solidarity. Why the suggestion they throw money at an issue that is so mired in fundamental bias from the grass roots?
As in the actions of government, the media, the police.. there is discrimination from the top down, how can one guy throwing a couple of thousand quid address and tackle subjects like Windrush, stop and search, deaths in custody, demonisation... they can't, he'll be mocked as a virtue signaller or SJW and nothing will change.

Footballers are people first, just like the piss and shiz cleaners, they want change but they are not the change..That's why we have policy and law makers, that's their job.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by thesheriff443

It’s a two way street at the end of end day

In regards to racism, it really isn't.

[jet]

Why does everything have to be 'you can do this but you can't do that' and so devisive these days?
You can show support by taking the knee and you can boo because you don't agree with taking the knee for whatever reason. Both responses are called 'freedom of expression'. Humans just don't march in lockstep, they never have and they never will. The more they are pushed to conform one way or the other in current issues, the more deeply entrenched their own stance becomes. Human nature again.