[Daniel.]

As in, at least relative normality.

With the news of the Oxford vaccine being approved, when do you now estimate the return of normality?

[The Slim Reaper]

Some point in 2022.

[DouglasS]

Not really until 2022 but I reckon August/September time will be almost normality with holidays taking place and nightlife reopening with small measures. Then as autumn/winter hits even with the vaccine it’ll get a little worse than Aug/Sept cause of anti vaxxers dragging others down

[Lee.]

I’d like to think some normality will return by the summer, but then again there are a lot of ****ing idiots around right now.
Just saw on fb that Nicola is making some announcement today and one of the replies was “**** her, I’ll do the exact opposite of what she says”
That’s the kind of stupidity we’re up against ��

[Alf]

When the people have had enough.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Alf

When the people have had enough.

What are 'the people' going to do?...

Congregate without masks spreading it far and wide like they've been doing all year?.. pfft morons.

I'm not one for draconian measures but these gatherings are a public health risk, fine them massively! If you want to spout your conspiracy theories go home and do it on the Internet! !

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

When the people have had enough.

Those Fools will Die
as the Variant Covid Virus is increasing

[Kizzy]

When the vaccine has been fully rolled out, we'll probably get lulled into a false sense of security again in summer when the virus is dormant in the main so it will be next autumn at least before we know how successful the efforts have been.

As a virus can mutate we may never be truly 100% normal and measures like increased cleaning, distancing, hand washing and venting of rooms might have to be the new norm going forwards.

[Vanessa]

Hopefully by summer.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When the vaccine has been fully rolled out, we'll probably get lulled into a false sense of security again in summer when the virus is dormant in the main so it will be next autumn at least before we know how successful the efforts have been.

As a virus can mutate we may never be truly 100% normal and measures like increased cleaning, distancing, hand washing and venting of rooms might have to be the new norm going forwards.

Even in the USA they said it would be 20 million
but only 2.1 million have had it.

There is not enough made
for 2 Injections for everyone

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Even in the USA they said it would be 20 million
but only 2.1 million have had it.

There is not enough made
for 2 Injections for everyone

Now we have 2 vaccines the chances of at least the elderly and vulnerable getting it is increasing.

Antibody testing needs to be ramped up too I think, it will be interesting to see if the levels of antibodies in the vaccinated are any higher or lover than those in those recovered from covid.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When the vaccine has been fully rolled out, we'll probably get lulled into a false sense of security again in summer when the virus is dormant in the main so it will be next autumn at least before we know how successful the efforts have been.

I agree; my prediction is that the vaccine rollout will be nowhere near as fast as people seem to think, but it will be rolled out to a noticeable extent just in time for summer... when case numbers will bottom out again like they did this year... and that will be attributed to vaccination being a 100% success, and then there will be big bold headlines and shock when the numbers start to creep upwards again in October. I doubt winter 2021-22 will see numbers as high as we're going to get this year, especially deaths as most of the vulnerable population will be vaccinated and hospital treatment for the very-ill will have improved even further, but yeah... I think we're in for a few more winters of Covid headlines.

The knock-on effects, on the economy, on mental health, on things like tourism and international travel as well as how businesses operate in general will be even bigger in scope and will likely never fully revert.

Not all necessarily in bad ways I suppose; e.g. there has been a massive shift to doing business digitally out of necessity that I think will persist to an extent simply because it saves so much money, but also, people travelling less for business (especially international business) and opting to do business via video link etc. is a huge win for the environment. People will still travel, but any reduction in road & air travel is a bonus.

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The knock-on effects, on the economy, on mental health, on things like tourism and international travel as well as how businesses operate in general will be even bigger in scope and will likely never fully revert.

Not all necessarily in bad ways I suppose; e.g. there has been a massive shift to doing business digitally out of necessity that I think will persist to an extent simply because it saves so much money, but also, people travelling less for business (especially international business) and opting to do business via video link etc. is a huge win for the environment. People will still travel, but any reduction in road & air travel is a bonus.

I like what you've said here. If world leaders take stock and make the right decisions, the world can adjust and change for the better. New 'industries' will emerge and different jobs will be created.

This could be a massive opportunity for the human race to repair some of the damage we have caused to our environment. But the focus needs to change from returning to 'normality' to creating a new and better way of living.

The question is whether that opportunity are taken. I'd like to have trust that the human race will learn from this.....

[Garfie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

When the vaccine has been fully rolled out, we'll probably get lulled into a false sense of security again in summer when the virus is dormant in the main so it will be next autumn at least before we know how successful the efforts have been.

As a virus can mutate we may never be truly 100% normal and measures like increased cleaning, distancing, hand washing and venting of rooms might have to be the new norm going forwards.

I totally agree with all you've said here. I'd like to think that we might have some sense of normality by August, but I have no real confidence of that. As you've said, if the virus mutates we could have an Autumn/Winter like this one.

My feeling is, as a country, the actions taken have been too little too late. My opinion is that unless the government is proactive, rather than reactive, this virus is going to be with us much longer than it needs to be.

And if you listen to the experts, they suggest that we can expect this sort of thing to occur much more often.

I wonder if what we regard as 'normality' will ever return.....

[arista]

Originally Posted by Daniel.

As in, at least relative normality.

With the news of the Oxford vaccine being approved, when do you now estimate the return of normality?

The Variant Covid Virus
is yet to be Tested with the 2 Vaccines.


So we are not going back for many Years

[Denver]

Soon as all the vulnerable people have been vaccinated it will be back to normal as young healthy people are super low risk

[Calderyon]

None of the above.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Calderyon

None of the above.

Yes more like 10 years

[user104658]

Something resembling normailty - at least 2022.

Exactly as things were pre-2020... never, or at the very least, decades.

[Daniel.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Something resembling normailty - at least 2022.

Exactly as things were pre-2020... never, or at the very least, decades.

Talk about depressing.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Something resembling normailty - at least 2022.

Exactly as things were pre-2020... never, or at the very least, decades.

Don't be silly, the world has got over much worse and came out fighting ant the other end and this will be no different

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

Don't be silly, the world has got over much worse and came out fighting ant the other end and this will be no different

Yes, after a few decades.

When I said things will never go back to how they were before I didn't mean "misery forever" - just that things like this create changes that never go back. Good/bad/who knows but it won't snap back to "the same". Do you think the post-WW2 world snapped back to the 1930's? No... it changed the direction of politics and society forever in various ways. Some for worse, some for better. Big things result in big changes, you can't wish that away. It'll never be 2019 again.

[Denver]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Yes, after a few decades.

When I said things will never go back to how they were before I didn't mean "misery forever" - just that things like this create changes that never go back. Good/bad/who knows but it won't snap back to "the same". Do you think the post-WW2 world snapped back to the 1930's? No... it changed the direction of politics and society forever in various ways. Some for worse, some for better. Big things result in big changes, you can't wish that away. It'll never be 2019 again.

I believe this is gonna make the world a better place in the end

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Denver

I believe this is gonna make the world a better place in the end

Certainly possible... for example a tonne of scientific advancements (for better or worse) came out of WW2, plus a massive sociological catharsis that Europe was painfully in need of.

At the very least, a global pandemic of some description has been on the cards for decades, it was always going to happen at some point, and this one has no doubt seen HUGE advances in virology and epidemiology that will be a massive advantage in future.

[Calderyon]

Originally Posted by Denver

I believe this is gonna make the world a better place in the end

It's not.