[The Slim Reaper]

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions, not daily mail comments or telegraph articles.

[arista]

I do not like the word.

Ban it.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by arista

I do not like the word.

Ban it.

why Arista. Its just a word for social or racial injustice awareness.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kate!

why Arista. Its just a word for social or racial injustice awareness.

If only that was all it was used for

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

I do not like the word.

Ban it.

But I've seen you use it regularly. What are woke people standing for/against that is so offensive to you? It's primarily a rw word, as no one calls themselves woke, it's only ever used as an insult these days.

[arista]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

But I've seen you use it regularly. What are woke people standing for/against that is so offensive to you? It's primarily a rw word, as no one calls themselves woke, it's only ever used as an insult these days.

Sure
I just do not like it
Imported from USA

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
I just do not like it
Imported from USA

So what does it mean?

What are woke people standing for/against?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by arista

I do not like the word.

Ban it.

You mean cancel it?

[arista]

2. adjective
Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.

[Kate!]

Originally Posted by arista

2. adjective
Someone who is woke is very aware of social and political unfairness.

That's surely a positive thing though. Not at all negative.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kate!

That's surely a positive thing though. Not at all negative.

But the Word
Woke
is used for to many things

[ThomasC]

Woke is fine sometimes. If you're fighting for inequality.

The reason why it becomes a problem is because some people who are 'woke' become too PC. You can't say anything these days!

[Toy Soldier]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

Woke is fine sometimes. If you're fighting for inequality.

The reason why it becomes a problem is because some people who are 'woke' become too PC. You can't say anything these days!

The issue for me will always be simply in ability to debate and justify a stance. If someone can do that then I'm more than willing to hear them out no matter what their stance happens to be. If they start parroting mantras and insisting on what "is and isn't right and wrong" but on a little prodding are clearly just repeating a script rather than having any real thought or logic behind it... then to me that's really just a different flavor of ignorance.

I know a lot of people believe that if someone accidentally happens to fall on "the right side of the fence" then that's all good for strength in numbers and it doesn't really matter if they have a clue what they're talking about or not... but I would counter that their mindset is a bigger problem than the beliefs. Put that person in a different echo chambre for a month or two and they're going to come out humming a completely different tune. Because if they don't have the critical reasoning skills to form and back up their own genuine opinion, then they don't have the structures in place to avoid indocrination full stop.

In a nutshell that is my main issue with a lot of "woke people". Throw a couple of tougher questions at them and it becomes evident that there's absolutely **** all reasoning behind their opinions.

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The issue for me will always be simply in ability to debate and justify a stance. If someone can do that then I'm more than willing to hear them out no matter what their stance happens to be. If they start parroting mantras and insisting on what "is and isn't right and wrong" but on a little prodding are clearly just repeating a script rather than having any real thought or logic behind it... then to me that's really just a different flavor of ignorance.

I know a lot of people believe that if someone accidentally happens to fall on "the right side of the fence" then that's all good for strength in numbers and it doesn't really matter if they have a clue what they're talking about or not... but I would counter that their mindset is a bigger problem than the beliefs. Put that person in a different echo chambre for a month or two and they're going to come out humming a completely different tune. Because if they don't have the critical reasoning skills to form and back up their own genuine opinion, then they don't have the structures in place to avoid indocrination full stop.

In a nutshell that is my main issue with a lot of "woke people". Throw a couple of tougher questions at them and it becomes evident that there's absolutely **** all reasoning behind their opinions.

People can still have an opinion though without knowing all the ins and outs.

The debater can change my opinion or educate me.

Suppose it depends on the speaker's knowledge of the subject.

Yes, you have to have some thought and logic.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions, not daily mail comments or telegraph articles.

who says its the biggest insult?

the dictionary definition is:

a state of being aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality:

His latest record displays his wokeness.

More examples
Wokeness encompasses the need to search for more knowledge, understanding and truth in order to challenge injustice.
The actor and the politician met in a display of mutual wokeness.
Wokeness has to be about more than just saying the right thing.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

who says its the biggest insult?

the dictionary definition is:

a state of being aware, especially of social problems such as racism and inequality:

His latest record displays his wokeness.

More examples
Wokeness encompasses the need to search for more knowledge, understanding and truth in order to challenge injustice.
The actor and the politician met in a display of mutual wokeness.
Wokeness has to be about more than just saying the right thing.

Re: the bit in bold, so you think that the problem with "the woke" is that equality is just about words, and people aren't activist enough? Which is in direct contradiction to the bloke you quoted from the telegraph that said taking the knee was the problem, or the threads on the climate activists I've seen, where posters openly tell them to stop it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

As this is obviously the biggest insult on this island at the moment, I'd like for some of the folks who believe it's a negative, to explain exactly what it means, to help the rest of us, and me in particular, understand exactly why it's a problem.

Anyone is welcome to contribute, but I only want to read your personal opinions, not daily mail comments or telegraph articles.

Excellent thread and the bit in bold should become a forum rule IMO. I post articles so cant really talk but some forum members pretty much 95% of their contribution to S&D is articles they dont respond to.

I use it as a kind of ironic insult. I remember there was a thread on Women football that was overwhelmingly negative. I posted I quite like Women's football cuz I'm 'dead woke'.

Its become the new 'snowflake'. A kind of catch all insult to describe people who simply believe there are inequalities in our society. Its a lazy word to use IMO

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Excellent thread and the bit in bold should become a forum rule IMO. I post articles so cant really talk but some forum members pretty much 95% of their contribution to S&D is articles they dont respond to.

I use it as a kind of ironic insult. I remember there was a thread on Women football that was overwhelmingly negative. I posted I quite like Women's football cuz I'm 'dead woke'.

Its become the new 'snowflake'. A kind of catch all insult to describe people who simply believe there are inequalities in our society. Its a lazy word to use IMO

…yeah, this for me is similar to my own thoughts…it’s a word/label that is used to ‘close down’ a belief in inequalities within society and any highlighting of those equalities isn’t a ‘woke’ thing anyway…those inequalities have always been there and there has always been awareness of them…’woke’ surely is to have become awoken to…to suddenly realise…?…and that wouldn’t and doesn’t apply at all…but the ‘woke’ bit of it for me is the aim to weaponise a word and create a label to turn some social beliefs into a negative…which basically says no, we’re all fine as we are/society is all fine and wonderful and dandy just as it is and no changes/progression etc is needed or wanted because we like our society and world just as it is…and for those who cry out any equality…?…well
then they’re attacking the very core of you and you must rise up against that ‘wokeness’…in fact actually a bit of regression might be quite nice and back to those good old days when we didn’t have to be so mindful of equalities that not everyone has…


….and lazy…?…yeah, ironically …there definitely seems to be quite a career and income made by some in the labelling of and weaponising of ‘woke’…as a social media type label…

[Alf]

This thread is so woke!

[arista]

Originally Posted by Alf

This thread is so woke!

[Alf]

I'm fooking off.

Good luck to you all

Cheerio!

[Swan]

Unfortunately tik tok ego-maniacs are lumped in to this 'woke movement' and even though at it's core 'wokeness' isn't a bad thing, too many shouty over privileged social media obsessed people bring down what being woke really stands for.

The general working class public don't want, or need an overly entitled 18 year old shouting at them because they might on first impressions get their pronouns wrong. Or a 16 year old girl claiming to be 'woke' whilst lecturing people on how eating meat/having a family BBQ is 'racist'. And before anyone says anything, age does play a big part. A working class 40 year old who has worked their fingers to the bone just to put food on the table, has tried to do the right thing and been accepting of everything and everyone doesn't need, and shouldn't be talked down to by a 19 year old student (hate to bring race into this but i have to) usually a white middle class entitled girl telling them how to live their lives, and what terrible people they are.

It's easy to muddle what woke actually means when you have so many people bringing down it's true meaning with nonsensical waffle on social media. With the majority of these people saying what they think is popular and what will get them more attention and likes.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Swan

Unfortunately tik tok ego-maniacs are lumped in to this 'woke movement' and even though at it's core 'wokeness' isn't a bad thing, too many shouty over privileged social media obsessed people bring down what being woke really stands for.

The general working class public don't want, or need an overly entitled 18 year old shouting at them because they might on first impressions get their pronouns wrong. Or a 16 year old girl claiming to be 'woke' whilst lecturing people on how eating meat/having a family BBQ is 'racist'. And before anyone says anything, age does play a big part. A working class 40 year old who has worked their fingers to the bone just to put food on the table, has tried to do the right thing and been accepting of everything and everyone doesn't need, and shouldn't be talked down to by a 19 year old student (hate to bring race into this but i have to) usually a white middle class entitled girl telling them how to live their lives, and what terrible people they are.

It's easy to muddle what woke actually means when you have so many people bringing down it's true meaning with nonsensical waffle on social media. With the majority of these people saying what they think is popular and what will get them more attention and likes.

…to me that ‘muddling’ …or weaponising ‘woke’ in terms of its actual meaning…?…would be for attention and likes etc, as you say, yes…but for some it would be a clear and specific purpose of self agenda and self promotion and self income …people like Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins, Laurence Fox …..who most definitely manipulate it as ‘threat’ thing to society…rather than a support of any society inequality…

[bitontheslide]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…to me that ‘muddling’ …or weaponising ‘woke’ in terms of its actual meaning…?…would be for attention and likes etc, yes…but for a clear and specific purpose of self agenda and self promotion and self income …people like Piers Morgan, Katie Hopkins, Laurence Fox …..

but equally, you have picked 3 of the most ridiculous examples

Like all these movements that gain a bit of traction, people add more and more ridiculous things to the "woke" agenda daily which is what leaves it open to ridicule and scorn. There hasn't been a movement in recent years that hasn't suffered exactly the same

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

but equally, you have picked 3 of the most ridiculous examples

Like all these movements that gain a bit of traction, people add more and more ridiculous things to the "woke" agenda daily which is what leaves it open to ridicule and scorn. There hasn't been a movement in recent years that hasn't suffered exactly the same

Do you have some examples of the woke agenda? And what is your definition of woke?