[Niamh.]

Have you watched this one as well Ammi & Cherie? Also Smithy, might be interested.

The difference between this and the Jim Sheridan one is huge and I was thinking it would be biased and it was but it still convinced me once again that Ian Bailey is guilty

I liked how they focused a lot too on Sophie as a person rather than just the object of an investigation and I felt like we properly got to know her. I felt so bad for her parents and son. I'm glad though Pierre doesn't see Cork as the enemy and still sees West Cork as a place he feels close to his mother and where she loved despite the awful end she had here.

[Ammi]

…oh I was going to post about this, this morning…I haven’t watched very much yet, though…I started to watch last night but was really tired so didn’t watch a whole episode but I’ll pick up again later…my first impression…?….was how different a ‘story’ looks, depending on perspective that it’s presented and yet it’s the same story…I had read that Sophie’s family only agreed to be a part of this if it was presented more of a tribute to her life as a large aspect and it does seem that so far, which I love because before there was a cruel and violent/brutal death, there was a life…and in circumstances like that, as Sophie died…?…it must be very difficult for loved ones to get beyond the pain of death to that life again that meant so much to them…?…such a difficult thing….with the different documentaries, we’re seeing Sophie through the eyes of many and that’s what a life is…?…so it truly is a tribute as well and I want to feel that tribute also, not just her death….she was a French lady living this incredible, glamorous life in the circles that her husband moved through…?…she was a daughter/a mother etc…but she was also an ‘adopted’ Cork citizen, someone they really did feel was a part of them and their community, part of her heart belonged to Cork…

[Cherie]

Started it last night

[arista]

This is not on UK news

I hate Netflix/


I have AmazonPrime.


Is this a TV Chat thread?>

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by arista

This is not on UK news

I hate Netflix/


I have AmazonPrime.


Is this a TV Chat thread?>

My sincerest apologies, I will move this quick smart

[bitontheslide]

coming soon to Netflix ... The moderation of Neem, the inside story

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

coming soon to Netflix ... The moderation of Neem, the inside story

[Ammi]

…I finished watching last night…I liked seeing more of her friends and family in France…it’s just so incredibly sad for those who loved her as I don’t think they’re ever going to see justice and that’s what stays more than anything else, I think…an incredible sadness that still seems so much a part of Schull as well…

Spoiler:

…Im still left feeling that Ian Bailey killed her but that there were mistakes made that then stated to make it impossible a d now justice will never happen…

[Smithy]

This came up on my recommended on Netflix so I might give it a whirl

[Cal.]

HOW is he still free?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cal.

HOW is he still free?

All circumstantial evidence I suppose, so sad for her family though

[LeatherTrumpet]

i saw this on my planner is it good?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

i saw this on my planner is it good?

Yeah it is

[Cherie]

Finished this now, in terms of where I am with regard to Ian Bailey's guilt

Spoiler:

this is alot more damning, and it gave an overview of how far he ws for the house and the fact that he thought there might be a party at Alfie Lyons house as the lights were on, so it gave it some kind of motive for heading off in that direction, the coat being soaked in a bucket as well, though Jules said the Guards had taken it, and the stuff being burned including boots would all point to his being guilty imo, that said I get he could have kept it under wraps but Jules for all these years, now she is free of him maybe she will confess, gob smacking that a great big gate that could possibly yield dna even after all these years has gone missing, the Guards were terrible tbf

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Finished this now, in terms of where I am with regard to Ian Bailey's guilt

Spoiler:

this is alot more damning, and it gave an overview of how far he ws for the house and the fact that he thought there might be a party at Alfie Lyons house as the lights were on, so it gave it some kind of motive for heading off in that direction, the coat being soaked in a bucket as well, though Jules said the Guards had taken it, and the stuff being burned including boots would all point to his being guilty imo, that said I get he could have kept it under wraps but Jules for all these years, now she is free of him maybe she will confess, gob smacking that a great big gate that could possibly yield dna even after all these years has gone missing, the Guards were terrible tbf

Spoiler:

Yeah, agree with all of that, the Guards made a right balls of the investigation alright, I guess though, there was never a murder there before and hasn't been one since :/

I'm glad they did the mapping and distance from Sophies house/the studio/Jules House/Kealfadda bridge, it was something I had wondered about and it was never mentioned in the other Doc or the Podcast, it was all very doable for Ian to have walked back and forth from there.

The coat though? In the Jim Sheridan Doc they said that it was recorded on Police files that the Guards had his coat, so I'm a bit confused about that.

To me, the most damning part of all the Ian Bailey evidence was that first confession he made to the man who ran a Pub at the time, it was so specific with weird details about her "tight arse" really ****ing creepy

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

Yeah, agree with all of that, the Guards made a right balls of the investigation alright, I guess though, there was never a murder there before and hasn't been one since :/

I'm glad they did the mapping and distance from Sophies house/the studio/Jules House/Kealfadda bridge, it was something I had wondered about and it was never mentioned in the other Doc or the Podcast, it was all very doable for Ian to have walked back and forth from there.

The coat though? In the Jim Sheridan Doc they said that it was recorded on Police files that the Guards had his coat, so I'm a bit confused about that.

To me, the most damning part of all the Ian Bailey evidence was that first confession he made to the man who ran a Pub at the time, it was so specific with weird details about her "tight arse" really ****ing creepy

Spoiler:

yeah I am confused about the coat as well, and Marie Farrells testimony, like did she see him or not, and did she retract due to him intimidating her, the thing in the Spar shop was really creepy and also that she spoke about his having contacting her to her friend so I think they had met maybe previously when she was walking or something , its quite incredible he has not been attacked, wonder if he will be after all this publicity

[Niamh.]

Gardaí have a new lead apparently, they can't be considering believing anything Marie Farrell has to say again, can they?

GARDAI ARE revisiting the investigation file on the unsolved murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier after a new suspect emerged.

The murder of Toscan du Plantier 24 years ago has been the subject of much debate and speculation over the past few weeks following the release of two new true crime documentaries reviewing the case.

Now, according to the Irish Independent, detectives are reviewing the case based on information provided by Marie Farrell who claims she can now identify the male suspect she saw with the victim just days before her murder.

Farrell was previously a key witness in the Gardai’s case against the prime suspect in Toscan du Plantier’s murder, Ian Bailey.

She initially identified Bailey as the man she recalled seeing outside her shop in Schull on the day Toscan du Plantier was last seen alive back in December 1996.

Farrell recalled seeing a man wearing a long black coat watching the victim that day.

She also recalled seeing the same person on a remote bridge close to the holiday home Toscan du Plantier was staying in at the time.

Though she initially claimed the man was Bailey, Farrell later withdrew her testimony.

However in a fresh twist, she has now identified the man as an alternative suspect.

Farrell pointed out the individual, she claims to have seen, while perusing photos of Toscan du Plantier with filmmaker Jim Sheridan in the Sky documentary Murder at the Cottage.

It is understood she identified the man while perusing photos of Sophie, her late husband and people known to the couple.

Detectives are now in the process of assessing the credibility of the information and will be reviewing the investigation file to see if the person Farrell has named is among the 50 suspects initially identified as potential suspects in Toscan du Plantier’s murder.

Bailey has twice been arrested by gardaí for the murder, in 1997 and 1998, but never formally charged in Ireland.

He was, however, convicted in absentia by a French court in 2019.

Bailey has always maintained his innocence and claimed in Sheridan’s documentary that a French hitman may have been hired to kill the Paris-born filmmaker at her home.

Despite this latest development, Bailey’s solicitor Frank Buttimer, told Extra that it is unlikely to lead to a major breakthrough.

He said: “One of the awful consequences of this tragic situation would become apparent in the event that a genuine suspect for the offence became identifiable, which might require cooperation from the French authorities to An Garda Síochána and where the likely outcome, in that event, would be a refusal to provide mutual assistance from the French.”

https://www.irishpost.com/news/garda...ntified-215358

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Gardaí have a new lead apparently, they can't be considering believing anything Marie Farrell has to say again, can they?

GARDAI ARE revisiting the investigation file on the unsolved murder of Sophie Toscan du Plantier after a new suspect emerged.

The murder of Toscan du Plantier 24 years ago has been the subject of much debate and speculation over the past few weeks following the release of two new true crime documentaries reviewing the case.

Now, according to the Irish Independent, detectives are reviewing the case based on information provided by Marie Farrell who claims she can now identify the male suspect she saw with the victim just days before her murder.

Farrell was previously a key witness in the Gardai’s case against the prime suspect in Toscan du Plantier’s murder, Ian Bailey.

She initially identified Bailey as the man she recalled seeing outside her shop in Schull on the day Toscan du Plantier was last seen alive back in December 1996.

Farrell recalled seeing a man wearing a long black coat watching the victim that day.

She also recalled seeing the same person on a remote bridge close to the holiday home Toscan du Plantier was staying in at the time.

Though she initially claimed the man was Bailey, Farrell later withdrew her testimony.

However in a fresh twist, she has now identified the man as an alternative suspect.

Farrell pointed out the individual, she claims to have seen, while perusing photos of Toscan du Plantier with filmmaker Jim Sheridan in the Sky documentary Murder at the Cottage.

It is understood she identified the man while perusing photos of Sophie, her late husband and people known to the couple.

Detectives are now in the process of assessing the credibility of the information and will be reviewing the investigation file to see if the person Farrell has named is among the 50 suspects initially identified as potential suspects in Toscan du Plantier’s murder.

Bailey has twice been arrested by gardaí for the murder, in 1997 and 1998, but never formally charged in Ireland.

He was, however, convicted in absentia by a French court in 2019.

Bailey has always maintained his innocence and claimed in Sheridan’s documentary that a French hitman may have been hired to kill the Paris-born filmmaker at her home.

Despite this latest development, Bailey’s solicitor Frank Buttimer, told Extra that it is unlikely to lead to a major breakthrough.

He said: “One of the awful consequences of this tragic situation would become apparent in the event that a genuine suspect for the offence became identifiable, which might require cooperation from the French authorities to An Garda Síochána and where the likely outcome, in that event, would be a refusal to provide mutual assistance from the French.”

https://www.irishpost.com/news/garda...ntified-215358

Literally if this turns out to be true, that woman should be in jail for her lies

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Literally if this turns out to be true, that woman should be in jail for her lies

Yeah she's a nut case and seems like an attention seeker too. She's been massively disrespectful to Sophie and her family as well

[Cherie]

Good point about the coat, if it were steeping in a bucket how was he wearing it in the Christmas swim video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Good point about the coat, if it were steeping in a bucket how was he wearing it in the Christmas swim video

Yeah, I thought that as well, plus it said on the Police files that they'd seized the coat and presumably found no blood or DNA on it

[Niamh.]

Ian Bailey is about to be interviewed on Irish radio with Niall Boylan, if anyone is interested

https://www.classichits.ie/player/

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Ian Bailey is about to be interviewed on Irish radio with Niall Boylan, if anyone is interested

https://www.classichits.ie/player/

Listening

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Listening

[Cal.]

What was the deal with Marie Farrell? Do you reckon she was lying for attention initially and never knew what her lies were going to cause?