[Crimson Dynamo]

A police force failed to act impartially when it allowed officers to take part in
a Gay Pride and transgender rights march, a court has ruled.

Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian, brought a case against Northumbria
Police after officers, including Vanessa Jardine, the head of the force, took
part in last year’s parade in Newcastle.

Ms Smith argued that it was wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively
participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by
transgender activists.

Responding to the ruling, Ms Smith said: “I am delighted with the judgment
of the court. It is terrifying to live in a community where the police have
abandoned their duty of impartiality and embraced a highly controversial
political cause.”



In the legal claim, officers were accused of joining in the march; stationing a
police van decked out in Pride colours at the event and associating with
messaging that supported gender ideology.

The hearing was told there was also a Northumbria Police static display
staffed by uniformed officers and a transgender Pride flag incorporating the
force’s insignia.

Ms Smith argued that while she accepted it was necessary for the Pride
march to be policed it was wrong for officers to actively participate because it
breached their professional oath to operate with impartiality.

The court also heard how during the march there were pro-Palestinian
protesters chanting slogans such as: “From the River To The Sea, Palestine
Will Be Free”, “No Pride in Genocide” and “Toute le monde deteste la police”.



“Pride is political in the same way that any protest is political. Police
engagement should therefore be solely operational. No lanyards, flags,
whistles or painted cars. Just good, honest bobbies remaining polite and
keeping the peace.”



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...h-judge-rules/

[Cherie]

Makes sense

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Makes sense

another victory for common sense and thankfully a precedent now that will be upheld

no more pathetic rainbow police cars or embarrassing displays at "pride marches"

I am sure police officers will be relieved and delighted by this

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Makes sense

Makes perfect sense. I hate seeing the publicly funded police join in with any protest or parade, like seeing them do the macarena at Notting Hill. If you want to take part, wait till you're off duty then you can do what you like.

[BBXX]

It's giving Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Sad to see now that Linzi has a foot on the acceptance ladders she's pulling it up for those who don't. Seek help.

The police have historically been instrumental in oppressing LGBT people, so visibility at supporting them is simply readdressing the balance.

[Ammi]

…how so much has become so divisive and regressing in recent/current times…almost a decade ago at London Pride a Met officer proposed to his partner and that ‘impartiality’ was viewed in a completely positive way…it’s very sad how isolated, some society mindsets appear to be leaning…

Youtube video

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

The police are funded by the public. They should not be joining in with ANY parade or march they are being paid, by the public, to police.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

The police are funded by the public. They should not be joining in with ANY parade or march they are being paid, by the public, to police.

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

There is no difference. They're there to police the event, same as any other event they police. They can be friendly, supportive, approachable... But they have a job to do. If they want to take part, fine. But not while they're on duty.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

I said that the Police officers celebrating Pride isn't harming anyone.

Not that there haven't been cases of Transwomen thinking that it's okay to (for example) take part in Martial Arts against women.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian




at least read the opening post!!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself.
Gay people in the Police have had to endure equally bad discrimination in the past against them as in the armed forces too.
I see nothing wrong personally in joining in a fun event and celebrations of freedoms hard won by anyone, regardless of profession.
I'd more welcome and celebrate the Police allowed to be how they want to be too as to sexuality.
Everyone should be free from homophobic prejudice of others, it's really sad it it is something that IS still alive and kicking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

.

The lady in question is an out and proud Lesbian

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

Do they not have LGBT folk work openly within the police there? Pretty much all of local govt attends Pride events here, including Sheriff. It's not a hidden thing and I don't think considered to be that heavily political...?

On the topic of vehicles though:

Deputy under investigation after comment about gay pride parade
(2019) https://abc13.com/post/deputy-in-hot...mment/5366604/

He says his comment was related to conversation within the comments about HCSO's use of taxpayer money to use a county vehicle in a specialty parade. He has since deleted the comment.

It's a dumb comment because taxpayer money is being used to send out officers on OT to make sure people don't get stupid. Putting a car in the parade is a positive PR move and helps with recruitment. Law enforcement are facing serious shortages as people retire out.

I don't tend to view Pride as a referendum (for lack of a better word) on the current buzzword issues. I see it as a catch all invite for different kinds of people to come together to support each other's ideas around celebrating what Pride generally represents and if there are protest-y people (loud voices for their favorite thing) participating, that sits really normal for most here as we're accustomed to exercising our Freedom of Speech at opportune moments?... but the community event itself doesn't necessarily have to carry the same political messaging. I've known LGBT folk on all parts of the political spectrum here, anyway... but maybe our area is just more accepting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Linzi 🖤🤍@RightNUFC

🚨 Further Statement Regarding My High Court Victory VS CC Vanessa
Jardine And Northumbria Police 🚨

Today I have instructed my solicitors to write to the Chief Constable of
Northumbria Police to threaten further legal action if she authorises officers
to visibly participate in Northern Pride 2025. Despite a clear and damning
judgment of her decision to authorise officers to participate in Pride 2024 she
has authorised off-duty officers wearing T-shirts that show they are officers to
participate in Pride 2025. This is plainly unlawful and I will take legal action if
she does not rescind that authorisation. Her public statements in the light of
the ruling show a complete absence of reflection on a judgement that was
highly critical of her deeply flawed decision regarding Pride 2024 – a decision
that caused her and her officers to breach their professional duties. It would
appear that she and the Northumbria force have been completely captured by
a controversial political campaign.

The Police are NOT above the law.

[Liam-]

You can guarantee if they joined in on an anti-immigration march the same folks would be congratulating them for being ‘brave’, some people just won’t be happy until society gets back to openly accepted hostility towards gay people

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You can guarantee if they joined in on an anti-immigration march the same folks would be congratulating them for being ‘brave’, some people just won’t be happy until society gets back to openly accepted hostility towards gay people

You have imagined two situations that have not occurred and then got angry about both of them

[Livia]

I want the police impartial. They should not take part in any marches. Ever.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

I want the police impartial. They should not take part in any marches. Ever.

Yes

It seems obvious tbh


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[Crimson Dynamo]

In his ruling at the High Court in Leeds, Mr Justice Linden agreed and said it
was ‘contrary to the uniformed officers’ duties of impartiality’, as well as the
chief constable Vanessa Jardine’s ‘own duty of impartiality, to participate in the
2024 march in the way that they did’

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Don't use facts with these people they like to believe their own biases are reality.

I was stating my opinion, you were suggesting something was fact. There is a difference...