[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

The police are funded by the public. They should not be joining in with ANY parade or march they are being paid, by the public, to police.

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

There is no difference. They're there to police the event, same as any other event they police. They can be friendly, supportive, approachable... But they have a job to do. If they want to take part, fine. But not while they're on duty.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Cherie

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

I said that the Police officers celebrating Pride isn't harming anyone.

Not that there haven't been cases of Transwomen thinking that it's okay to (for example) take part in Martial Arts against women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I said that the Police officers celebrating Pride isn't harming anyone.

Not that there haven't been cases of Transwomen thinking that it's okay to (for example) take part in Martial Arts against women.

No one is saying police should be excluded from Pride. In their own time.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

No one is saying police should be excluded from Pride. In their own time.

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

The argument is Police are supposed to be and look impartial. I would question the intentions of anyone who wants to look 'impartial' on the subject of LGBT existing, tbh, but hey ho.

The issue stems from Pride being a politically motivated 'movement', and therefore Police need to be neutral. However, Pride is only political because people in power, the majority of whom are straight, make the existence of LGBT people political.

The vast majority of LGBT people would rather their existence wasn't up for political debate, in the same way straight people's existence hasn't ever been (for their identity). However, this is where we are and always have been, and so Pride will continue to be political.

My opinion is the police force have a checkered history with the LGBT community, they were instrumental in upholding discriminatory laws, often with force and violence. The police are not a very trusted collective within the community due to this history. Police involvement in pride not only goes ways to bridge that, for the sake of community, peace, trust and mutual respect, but it also creates a visual for any LGBT person who wants to join the Police force that perhaps it's now a viable workplace for them to exist in without prejudice.

I think often people, when suggesting X, Y and Z shouldn't "be political and get involved in pride" forget that gay people exist within those corporations and for many it's a way to show they're a company that accepts and supports you regardless of your sexuality.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

The argument is Police are supposed to be and look impartial. I would question the intentions of anyone who wants to look 'impartial' on the subject of LGBT existing, tbh, but hey ho.

The issue stems from Pride being a politically motivated 'movement', and therefore Police need to be neutral. However, Pride is only political because people in power, the majority of whom are straight, make the existence of LGBT people political.

The vast majority of LGBT people would rather their existence wasn't up for political debate, in the same way straight people's existence hasn't ever been (for their identity). However, this is where we are and always have been, and so Pride will continue to be political.

My opinion is the police force have a checkered history with the LGBT community, they were instrumental in upholding discriminatory laws, often with force and violence. The police are not a very trusted collective within the community due to this history. Police involvement in pride not only goes ways to bridge that, for the sake of community, peace, trust and mutual respect, but it also creates a visual for any LGBT person who wants to join the Police force that perhaps it's now a viable workplace for them to exist in without prejudice.

I think often people, when suggesting X, Y and Z shouldn't "be political and get involved in pride" forget that gay people exist within those corporations and for many it's a way to show they're a company that accepts and supports you regardless of your sexuality.

Maybe that's the difference then.

Because to me I don't see Pride as the same as Just Stop Oil for example.

And I do want to say that I personally believe that some of society want to take our Humanity away in certain situations, and make us more robotic.

It seems like crying is the only form of emotion that's deemed acceptable nowadays.

Just going on a bit of a tangent, sorry about that.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

When they go to football matches, maybe they can just watch the game. They're there already after all. And during royal parades instead of watching the crowd maybe they can watch the horses go past.

They are there to do a job. While I want them to be friendly and approachable, I don't want them joining in with the festivities.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

When they go to football matches, maybe they can just watch the game. They're there already after all. And during royal parades instead of watching the crowd maybe they can watch the horses go past.

They are there to do a job. While I want them to be friendly and approachable, I don't want them joining in with the festivities.

But the Police do watch the games, as well as also doing their job.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Liam-

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian




at least read the opening post!!

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian




at least read the opening post!!

LGBT people can also be bigots. Internalised homophobia is a thing, and some LGB folks are anti trans. Hope that helps.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by BBXX

LGBT people can also be bigots. Internalised homophobia is a thing, and some LGB folks are anti trans. Hope that helps.

Can you be a bigot? Are you a bigot? Have you ever been a bigot?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian




at least read the opening post!!

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

almost exclusively

and by 20 odd year old middle class white straight women, it seems

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

lol the biggest support for trans people comes from women.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by BBXX

lol the biggest support for trans people comes from women.

Yeah, right.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Livia

Yeah, right.

Thank you for confirming.

The latest polling suggests that while overall support for trans people is decreasing across the board, women are consistently, and always have been, more supportive than men.

[Benjamin]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

Let’s not generalise all gay men, please.

I really appreciate some of the police want to be more involved but I agree they are there to police the event and should be doing just that. If they want to join in, they should have taken the time off of work.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Let’s not generalise all gay men, please.

I really appreciate some of the police want to be more involved but I agree they are there to police the event and should be doing just that. If they want to join in, they should have taken the time off of work.

Of course that's what I meant. I did not mean to generalise and apologise unreservedly x

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself.
Gay people in the Police have had to endure equally bad discrimination in the past against them as in the armed forces too.
I see nothing wrong personally in joining in a fun event and celebrations of freedoms hard won by anyone, regardless of profession.
I'd more welcome and celebrate the Police allowed to be how they want to be too as to sexuality.
Everyone should be free from homophobic prejudice of others, it's really sad it it is something that IS still alive and kicking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

.

The lady in question is an out and proud Lesbian

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

The lady in question is an out and proud Lesbian

Once again, there are plenty of LGBT people who don't like Pride. We are not a monolithic group. You can dislike pride and be LGBT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Once again, there are plenty of LGBT people who don't like Pride. We are not a monolithic group. You can dislike pride and be LGBT.

Indeed but the rather dramatic implication was not they they did not care for "Pride" it was that they actively disliked it

" is probably against PRIDE events anyway."

"They'd like them banned more than likely."

"I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself."

I sincerely doubt any of the above is even remotely true