[elliebrew]

Really on the verge of giving up on this

Why is everything about Zelah and the LGBTQ drama

It’s so draining
And this is coming from a gay man

It’s all just so over the top, the traumatised crying

It’s just too much

[Crimson Dynamo]

100% agree

They have jumped the shark

[Swan]

It's pathetic

[Lister of Smeg]

Generation of weaklings George is the only one with a backbone rest are hyper moral cowards.

[Glenn.]

No one is forcing you to watch.

[GoldHeart]

I haven't watched back tonight's episode yet ,but it sounds like another dragged out tired drama situation .

On another note @elliebrew I thought you were a woman all this time ,I think I've misgendered you...ooops .

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No one is forcing you to watch.

TBF old habits die hard

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

No one is forcing you to watch.

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

As usual

Bang on right Mock

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

Big Brother has always been a social experiment. All walks of life.

No one is obligated to watch it. If it’s not providing you any enjoyment surely the most obvious answer is to not watch it?

I haven’t watched this series and thought “this is Zelahs trans story”

It’s because tonight was very heavy and showed the real lives of many many trans people. The reactions from the people who will never have their lives impacted at all by a trans person are the loudest of course.

Shows like Big Brother are important.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Big Brother has always been a social experiment. All walks of life.

No one is obligated to watch it. If it’s not providing you any enjoyment surely the most obvious answer is to not watch it?

I haven’t watched this series and thought “this is Zelahs trans story”

It’s because tonight was very heavy and showed the real lives of many many trans people. The reactions from the people who will never have their lives impacted at all by a trans person are the loudest of course.

Shows like Big Brother are important.

Exactly! And I'm holding the Show to that standard (instead of just giving up on the Show like you're suggesting) I want to see people from all walks of life talking about all sorts of topics.

It's not meant to be about any one Housemate.

And tbf to Zelah, we're meant to be watching multifaceted Housemates interacting with each other in the house, something that hasn't happened with any of the Housemates this series so far.

And I do think giving out constructive criticism is better for the Show, than being one of those fans that puts their fingers in their ears and telling those of us that are trying to give ITV some helpful advice to improve the Show, to 'not watch.'

If those of us complaining stopped watching, then the Show would be cancelled due to low ratings.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

Someone having a strop and threatening to stop watching whilst also complaining about massive overreactions is hardly the best display of constructive criticism. In reality "everything is about Zelah" took up the last 15 minutes of an hour long show.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Someone having a strop and threatening to stop watching whilst also complaining about massive overreactions is hardly the best display of constructive criticism. In reality "everything is about Zelah" took up the last 15 minutes of an hour long show.

Tbf, I have never noticed Elliebrew be this negative about BB before, so I do think that they're a die-hard fan who has probably had enough with the way that ITV is running the Show.

Speaking for myself, I have seen more edge in a Paw Patrol episode than I have ever seen from an ITV BB episode.

Zelah is just a symptom of modern BB playing it too safe because of 'people's sensibilities' but he isn't even the worst Housemate in there for it (which should tell you how bad it is) so no wonder people like Elliebrew have started feeling drained about the year.

And I do agree with you that the focus on Zelah had calmed down slightly from the first week, but the Show still doesn't feel comfortable with letting us get to know Zelah the person (like we got with Nadia and Luke A) they just want us to see Zelah the Transgender Housemate.

Do you not see why some people might find that one dimensional edit annoying?

[MTVN]

A very strong episode tonight, great television

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A very strong episode tonight, great television

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

A very strong episode tonight, great television

Strongest episode of the series so far.

[bots]

to think that warnings used to be issued for actual fights or spitting etc .... the producers are basically saying BB is now a fairy tale world, not based on lifes reality at all

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bots

to think that warnings used to be issued for actual fights or spitting etc .... the producers are basically saying BB is now a fairy tale world, not based on lifes reality at all

Exactly!

Housemates from either the Channel 4 or Channel 5 series wouldn't last 2 minutes now without facing a warning.

We're basically watching a CITV version of Big Brother, it's sad to think what ITV has done to one of my favourite childhood Shows.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Exactly!

Housemates from either the Channel 4 or Channel 5 series wouldn't last 2 minutes now without facing a warning.

We're basically watching a CITV version of Big Brother, it's sad to think what ITV has done to one of my favourite childhood Shows.

Now that both George and Caroline both have warnings, are they going to even last the duration??, it's only what week 2 bliddy hell . If they get another warning...I guess that means instant removal.

But yeah I don't agree with formal warnings being handed out like hot cakes, I mean ... I'll have to watch back tonight's hl to see how Caroline said what she said,but it sounds like she'd been drinking ?? ( Not that that's an excuse) , as we know how Caroline can be quite full on sober anyway,I think she's the type to blurt out all sorts , like foot in mouth type deal.

George even admitted he's going to try and walk on eggshells around Sam now. Which isn't really a good way to be, unless he used the wrong terminology. Actually meant... he'll just be more respectful or sensitive.

It's bizarre when I think back to the C4 days when all sorts went on ,and BB turned a blind eye to most of it . Remember BB6 when Roberto was bullied when he was in his box ,and got all types of food & even a toilet brush shoved in his box .

BB10 Sree apparently called Sophia a " monkey" according to Beinazir ,and how she found it funny as Sophie kept telling him how racist it was , but it wasn't aired . Marcus BB10 made fun of Sree's accent,but BB never actually gave him a warning,I know they told him off though.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Now that both George and Caroline both have warnings, are they going to even last the duration??, it's only what week 2 bliddy hell . If they get another warning...I guess that means instant removal.

But yeah I don't agree with formal warnings being handed out like hot cakes, I mean ... I'll have to watch back tonight's hl to see how Caroline said what she said,but it sounds like she'd been drinking ?? ( Not that that's an excuse) , as we know how Caroline can be quite full on sober anyway,I think she's the type to blurt out all sorts , like foot in mouth type deal.

George even admitted he's going to try and walk on eggshells around Sam now. Which isn't really a good way to be, unless he used the wrong terminology. Actually meant... he'll just be more respectful or sensitive.

It's bizarre when I think back to the C4 days when all sorts went on ,and BB turned a blind eye to most of it . Remember BB6 when Roberto was bullied when he was in his box ,and got all types of food & even a toilet brush shoved in his box .

BB10 Sree apparently called Sophia a " monkey" according to Beinazir ,and how she found it funny as Sophie kept telling him how racist it was , but it wasn't aired . Marcus BB10 made fun of Sree's accent,but BB never actually gave him a warning,I know they told him off though.

Sree also got away with being a bit obsessive towards Noirin.

And tbh I really think that George will end up getting ejected, and I doubt that it'll be over anything that the majority of the public will agree with.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Sree also got away with being a bit obsessive towards Noirin.

And tbh I really think that George will end up getting ejected, and I doubt that it'll be over anything that the majority of the public will agree with.

Yeah Sree was delusional
Marcus was also obsessive with Noirin that season aswell,it was actually uncomfortable when I rewatched it
2 years ago. It's aged badly in parts . I honestly found Sree weird and Marcus gross .

Well I'm not George's biggest fan ,but I don't want him ejected . I'm not liking how itv is handling BB ,it seems every year now there's something.

I'm surprised Farida didn't get a warning when she had that conversation with Hallie , or maybe because Hallie seemed fine and wasn't in tears .

It seems BB is dishing out warnings based on if the housemate is upset or finds it offensive.

I wish BB would be consistent, didn't what's her face Chanel or Chantelle whatever her name get a million warnings in the c5 BB days but still stayed in the house , was she sleeping with a producer or something?? .

Nowadays it seems it's very much better careful what you say and how you say it . If BB had always been like this then I don't think people would be as annoyed.

And obviously housemates should be respectful of eachother, but I don't know.

Even when Farmer Cameron was talking to Sam the other day ,he kept asking him " is that ok " asking permission to use words,which I guess I understand in this climate,as people are so worried they'll offend. It's just so mad when we think back to the old BB days when nobody thought about what they said ,they just blurted out anything lol.

[Ray.]

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

She made a call and lost big time!

She knew her comment was potentially hurtful but reckoned that everyone would think the comment was hilarious and took a gamble


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[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

I wouldn't say I feel sorry for her, but only because I think she willingly took a risk and didn't anticipate it would blow up. She's been testing the waters with crass comments about other HMs and a lot of them are digs, but they're crafty enough it's easy enough to miss.

I only feel bad for Zelah, but only because, he really doesn't deserve to be the butt of a joke. That said, if she didn't want her morality put on the table like that to be crucified by most of the house, she should've been more tactful. She was only sorry because she knew that there was no way after seeing the blow back that that wasn't going to get way out of hand, so she backtracked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Ray.

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

A woman calls a woman a woman and is made to feel like a pariah is disgusting and dehumanising by a pack of self righteous goons desperate to appear as warriors of the zeitgeist

I despair for society I really do