[Crimson Dynamo]

Anti-Semitism has been normalised in middle-class Britain, a Government-
backed report has found.

The review warned that Jewish people in the UK were suffering increasing
prejudice “in our professions, cultural life [and] public services” and felt they
were “tolerated rather than being respected”.

The report found anti-Semitism to be
pervasive in the NHS, at universities and in the arts.

The inconsistent policing of hate crimes against Jews, including at pro-
Palestine protests, was also highlighted.

The review was co-authored by Lord Mann, the Government’s anti-Semitism
adviser, and Dame Penny Mordaunt, the former defence secretary.

Writing in The Telegraph, they said they had been “stunned into silence” by
the evidence gathered during six months of research for the Commission on
Anti-Semitism.

Among 10 recommendations made in their report, which will be published on
Tuesday and considered by the Government, are recognising Judaism as an ethnicity

The co-authors said that British Jews were often “held responsible for the
actions of the Israeli government”, which are frequently the subject of pro-
Palestine protests.

“From evidence that we heard, we can identify that there is a specific
unaddressed issue of anti-Semitism within the NHS,” they wrote.

The education sector was also criticised in the report for allowing the spread
of anti-Semitism on university campuses and in primary school classrooms.

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage’

The report found there was “almost nowhere” that British Jews could turn
“where anti-Semitism does not seem present in some form”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-jews-israel/

[Vicky.]

This isn't a surprise if you actually listen/read the opinions of Jewish people. Seems an awful place for them to live at the moment

[BBXX]

It does seem like anti-semitism is the one major prejudice that is brushed under the carpet and people are given a pass for.

As I’ve said elsewhere, it’s a scary time for the Jewish people and it’s horrific that civilians are made the victims of political wars.

I really don’t know enough about the Palestinian / Israeli conflict but ordinary civilians should not be made to live in fear, wherever they are in the world, because of political wars.

This study, unfortunately, doesn’t surprise me.

[Oliver_W]

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[Livia]

LOL... Borat.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Anti-Semitism has been normalised in middle-class Britain, a Government-
backed report has found.

The review warned that Jewish people in the UK were suffering increasing
prejudice “in our professions, cultural life [and] public services” and felt they
were “tolerated rather than being respected”.

The report found anti-Semitism to be
pervasive in the NHS, at universities and in the arts.

The inconsistent policing of hate crimes against Jews, including at pro-
Palestine protests, was also highlighted.

The review was co-authored by Lord Mann, the Government’s anti-Semitism
adviser, and Dame Penny Mordaunt, the former defence secretary.

Writing in The Telegraph, they said they had been “stunned into silence” by
the evidence gathered during six months of research for the Commission on
Anti-Semitism.

Among 10 recommendations made in their report, which will be published on
Tuesday and considered by the Government, are recognising Judaism as an ethnicity

The co-authors said that British Jews were often “held responsible for the
actions of the Israeli government”, which are frequently the subject of pro-
Palestine protests.

“From evidence that we heard, we can identify that there is a specific
unaddressed issue of anti-Semitism within the NHS,” they wrote.

The education sector was also criticised in the report for allowing the spread
of anti-Semitism on university campuses and in primary school classrooms.

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage’

The report found there was “almost nowhere” that British Jews could turn
“where anti-Semitism does not seem present in some form”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...d-jews-israel/

Tbh I'm going to be consistent on this, as I remember having a discussion with Liam (I think it was Liam anyway,) on here a year or two ago on something similar to this, and my stance will always be the same.

I don't agree with most forms of prejudice, and I do understand that as a society we do have a duty to make sure that extremist views aren't celebrated by the general public.

However you can't make people like you, so it's better that the people that don't like you are at least tolerant towards you, rather than becoming the next KKK or Hitler.

Obviously I have used two extreme examples, but severity of the prejudice is important, and it's also important to not try and force people into liking someone or in this case a group of people.

It's Human Psychology, you'll just make the prejudice person more extreme.

[Glenn.]

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

I think that's fair points that you've made personally.

[Ninastar]

I have a Jewish friend who lives near Bradford and the stories I would hear were horrific and that was a decade ago. I dread to imagine what it’s like now. None of it was ever made news to the media which was always interesting (and scary) to me. Crazy the amount of things that get swept under the rug because it doesn’t fit the media’s perspective

[Liam-]

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

You're holding all Jews responsible for the acts of Israel. You don't do that for Muslims... why is that?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Antisemitism’s never ok, and it’s never ok how normalised it still is in so many places.

Backing Jewish people doesn’t mean you can’t also stand with Palestine. Two things can be true at once. Blaming UK Jews for Israel is out of order. Ignoring what’s happening in Gaza? Also out of order.

I agree with that whole post.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

You're holding all Jews responsible for the acts of Israel. You don't do that for Muslims... why is that?

Show me one example of me doing that

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

Artists ‘cancelled because of their heritage

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Are we talking actual, proper antisemitism or this new modern Zionist definition where you apparently hate Jews and want them to die if you don’t like Israel slaughtering tens of thousands of children

I’m talking about synagogues/jewish residents having bricks thrown through their windows, threatening letters through postbox, women being harassed/assaulted without any justification process after, tires being slashed, weapons being ‘waved’ as a reminder to ‘stay in your place, women being followed/threatend on the regular, hateful graffiti, people just opening talking god awful **** about Jewish people (sometimes Christians too) and a few more things I’ve heard about over the years

And no one blinks an eye lid

People don’t care

Maybe people just aren’t aware, but this has been happening for years and it’s only going to get worse

[Ninastar]

I also remember my friend telling me that people would come around to her neighborhood and walk around wearing balaclavas and that alone scared me shitless. The thought of being attacked and not being able to see their face properly? I don’t think people really think about how that makes most women feel about their safety.

I know this isn’t just exclusive to Jewish humans, it can happen to anyone. But the idea that there are people out there openly taunting/harassing people for being Jewish and constantly getting away with it is a problem

This was before the covid masking/free Palestine cover ups etc so it always freaked me out

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I’m talking about synagogues/jewish residents having bricks thrown through their windows, threatening letters through postbox, women being harassed/assaulted without any justification process after, tires being slashed, weapons being ‘waved’ as a reminder to ‘stay in your place, women being followed/threatend on the regular, hateful graffiti, people just opening talking god awful **** about Jewish people (sometimes Christians too) and a few more things I’ve heard about over the years

And no one blinks an eye lid

People don’t care

Maybe people just aren’t aware, but this has been happening for years and it’s only going to get worse

And all of that is horrific and rightfully needs to be called out and stamped out, to say it’s ignored and nobody cares is just blatantly not true though let’s be real.

But on the other hand, of course the statistics are going up when the organisations conducting the research and compiling complaints are now openly including Palestinian flags and stickers and calling for the end of the genocide in Palestine as incidents of antisemitism and ‘harassment’

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Livia

I thought you gave a lot of understanding to the people who hate Jews. Heaven forbit an article causes some friction amongst Jew-haters. Jews seem to be the one group in society whom it is acceptable to hate. I never thought it would be acceptable in this country for a Jewish man walking on a London street is turned back for being "openly Jewish" by a police officer. Otr where a member of the public brings to the attention of a police officer the flying of a flag with a swastika and the police office saying, well... the use of a swastika is subjective and letting it go. Everything chips away,

I personally think it's always a good thing to try and understand the logic of any group of people, and try to think how you personally would respond to certain situations if you were to think like them, in this case an Anti-Semitic person.

And then try to think of ways to make these people see sense, i.e genuinely not hating on Jewish people anymore.

I honestly apologise if my posts were coming across like I'm an Anti-Semite sympathizer, because it is the total opposite that I'm aiming for, at least that's my intention.

And I agree with you that Anti-Semitism is far too accepted in this country, because flying a Swastika at an Israel vs. Palestine rally is someone clearly looking to cause trouble, and the Police should do something about those kinds of people imo.

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

And all of that is horrific and rightfully needs to be called out and stamped out, to say it’s ignored and nobody cares is just blatantly not true though let’s be real.

But on the other hand, of course the statistics are going up when the organisations conducting the research and compiling complaints are now openly including Palestinian flags and stickers and calling for the end of the genocide in Palestine as incidents of antisemitism and ‘harassment’

People don’t care though… many people are completely unaware of it happening bc again, the media does not give a **** about it

If this was happening to Muslims, there would be marches, protests, social media would be rampant with rage, demanding change and justice.

But if the perpetrators are Muslim, it’s a free pass. It’s similar to those sex gangs that were happening years back (I’m sure they are still happening, too)

People are afraid to speak out because they fear being ‘cancelled’ or labelled as racist by society and that is not okay.

Every person, no matter their religion/race/culture etc etc should be able to report things without fear of being labelled xyz and it should always be taken 100% seriously from the police/government/whoever is in charge.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

People don’t care though… many people are completely unaware of it happening bc again, the media does not give a **** about it

If this was happening to Muslims, there would be marches, protests, social media would be rampant with rage, demanding change and justice.

But if the perpetrators are Muslim, it’s a free pass. It’s similar to those sex gangs that were happening years back (I’m sure they are still happening, too)

People are afraid to speak out because they fear being ‘cancelled’ or labelled as racist by society and that is not okay.

Every person, no matter their religion/race/culture etc etc should be able to report things without fear of being labelled xyz and it should always be taken 100% seriously from the police/government/whoever is in charge.

All of that is just so blatantly the opposite of true there’s no point even trying to argue against it

[Ninastar]

Originally Posted by Liam-

All of that is just so blatantly the opposite of true there’s no point even trying to argue against it

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

Of course there are bad people from all backgrounds and faith, but your conclusion that Muslims get away with everything and are protected by society and treated better than other religions, while Jews aren’t safe to walk the streets and are perpetual victims that nobody cares about just aren’t rooted in reality that you can see in the world on a daily basis, Muslim people in this country are in a constant state of danger from thick racists that just want to hurt them because of how they look or where they’ve come from, because other people who look like them have done bad things, Islamophobia is an accepted form of racism in the uk and America, by the media, by public figures and by the public, that’s just a fact, meanwhile you can’t even have an honest conversation about Israel and Zionism without being silenced by the media, fired from your job or being accused of antisemitism, the Israeli lobbies pay to have major influence over western media and politics so that they can push their propaganda at will and people lap it up, less and less every day thankfully, but that’s the case

[Maru]

Why Grok Fell in Love With Hitler
https://www.politico.com/news/magazi...er-ai-00447055

The internet certainly did notice a difference Tuesday, when Grok posted antisemitic comments, associated Jewish-sounding surnames with “anti-white hate” and wrote that Adolf Hitler would “spot the pattern” and “handle it decisively, every damn time.” For good measure, it also called itself “MechaHitler.” Following the controversy, Musk posted that the AI had been “too compliant to user prompts.”

“I don’t think we want a world where a few oligarchs can influence our beliefs very heavily, including in subtle ways by shaping what their social media sites do,” he said.

No s***.

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

I think this was really well-written. You should write novels more often, Nina...

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Ninastar

I can see why you would think that. A lot of people haven’t experienced it personally so have no idea that it’s an issue. When you travel a lot and work with multicultural families, you see the world a lot differently. I know I’m in the minority and I know that people think that this is all a thinly veiled racism. But the words I say aren’t just from my thoughts, they are experiences of people who I have met over the years. I worked have worked in schools where it’s a 100% Muslim population. I have talked to the teachers who experience horrific abuse on a daily basis (that’s all schools of course,) and I have seen how it’s rampantly ignored. I also worked in a Christian school in Bradford and I’ve seen people hang around the school at dismissal to intimate others. Grown ass men antagonising women in kids. It happens so often and people just don’t know how bad it is.

I don’t blame people for thinking the way they do. The internet has such a choke hold on what is okay to say/think and what not to think. People died at the Ariana Grande concert because people were too afraid to act on their suspicions in fear of being labled racist. I’m not saying that’s why they died… they were murdered in a terrorist attack, but perhaps more people could have been saved if authorities were properly warned about him.

I hate to derail the thread, this is supposed to be about antisemitism being ignored in middle class society. I’m only posting my personal experiences with how I’ve seen things happen.

That’s not to say that Muslim families experience hatred and racism too, we know it happens. Ive seen that happen to and it’s awful. I can honestly say that some of the most amazing people I’ve ever met are Muslim. Most of them a genuinely amazing people. But there are 100% people out there who use their race/religion as a threat against other people. They tell them that the police won’t do anything about it and they are right. I dread to think of how many teenagers (it wasn’t just girls who were gang raped) thought about how they would never be able to escape the cycle of torture and abuse they went through.

I am not good with words, it has never been my strong suit, but I truly believe that people just aren’t aware of how horrific some places are in the UK.

Welcome to the club.