[bansheewails]

Originally Posted by Stacey.x

in my head it's still ki-oma.

My friends daughter name is Kaoma, which is alaskian eskimo apparently!

[Niamh.]

Do you know what used to always annoy me, the way ye pronounce Gallagher, it's pronounced Galla-her here but ye pronounce it Galla-ger

[Oooo_get_her]

That gets my goat, too, Niamh. Galla-gur and McGraTH, with the 'th' pronounced.

It's McGraH!

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Unfortunately some words sound the same spelt whatever way you say it.

Mor (moor) sounds like More (moor) i cant see how it can sound different.

Therefore Moran isnt More-an But Moor-an and actually comes out Moor-ran.

Unless you're saying it is in fact Mo-ran?

Mor'n sounds like Morn but is still beginning with Moor as in Moor-n.

Kevin Moran,for example, is pronounced More 'n, there's like a half a vowel between the More and the n, so that it sounds closer to Morn. Just the hint of a vowel between the Mor and the n.

It's truncated, but the English make 2 separate syllables, with the emphasis on the second syllable, ran. More-RAN, and subjugate the first syllable.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Oooo_get_her

That gets my goat, too, Niamh. Galla-gur and McGraTH, with the 'th' pronounced.

It's McGraH!

oh yeah lol that too. McElderry too like that guy who won X-Factor I would pronounce Mac-il-Derry where as they pronounced it Mac-Eldry

[Nemo123]

Dublin is an anglicanisation of Dubh Linn, (pronounced Dove Linn),meaning black pool.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Kevin Moran,for example, is pronounced More 'n, there's like a half a vowel between the More and the n, so that it sounds closer to Morn. Just the hint of a vowel between the Mor and the n.

It's truncated, but the English make 2 separate syllables, with the emphasis on the second syllable, ran. More-RAN, and subjugate the first syllable.

Its not that the English choose to make these mistakes in pronouncing names wrong, but that most of us say it as we see it. This is the point of my whole thread and that there has to be an acceptance and understanding that different interpretations of the same letters is going to happen, and annoyance is just as bad as the original mis-pronunciation.

Unless a person is told that G is silent, then how are they supposed to know?

Your original point was about Moran being pronounced More-ran....and i took it that you meant the adding of the E. But if you are saying that its the ending 'N being turned into ran, then that is just a natural way the word runs and can be seen in other words. The only way for the uneducated to know is if the name was hyphernated(sp?) as in Mor-n or Mor'n.
An example is Arab
Its not A-rab or Ar-b or Ar'b....its Ar-rab or to be more precise to their pronunciation..Ar-rub.

[Nemo123]

Steve More-RAN was an English footballer, as was Martin Key-own. So, who's to say who's right and who's wrong, although they are Irish surnames. Call it a regional difference.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

oh yeah lol that too. McElderry too like that guy who won X-Factor I would pronounce Mac-il-Derry where as they pronounced it Mac-Eldry

I pronounce it as it looks....Mac-el-derry.
McEldry would be Mac-el-dree.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

I pronounce it as it looks....Mac-el-derry.
McEldry would be Mac-el-dree.

I pronounce it the same as you then, they were all pronouncing it like Mac-el-dree on X-Factor though

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Nemo123

Steve More-RAN was an English footballer, as was Martin Key-own. So, who's to say who's right and who's wrong, although they are Irish surnames. Call it a regional difference.

Thats very true.

My surname ends in Tare.

Lets see how the Irish amongst you pronounce that?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Thats very true.

My surname ends in Tare.

Lets see how the Irish amongst you pronounce that?

Tare, like T-air?

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

I pronounce it the same as you then, they were all pronouncing it like Mac-el-dree on X-Factor though

Im sorry Niamh but yes there are some numpties over here who cant even pronounce someones name correct even when told again and again....but please dont generalise us all, as some of us just say as seen and try to adjust.
You must admit that Caoimhe to an English speaker is in no way Keeva.
But for someone to then call Keeva Cay-oim-he to her face would be just plain rude.

[Nemo123]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Thats very true.

My surname ends in Tare.

Lets see how the Irish amongst you pronounce that?

Have to see the whole name, could be Indian or something exotic.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Im sorry Niamh but yes there are some numpties over here who cant even pronounce someones name correct even when told again and again....but please dont generalise us all, as some of us just say as seen and try to adjust.
You must admit that Caoimhe to an English speaker is in no way Keeva.
But for someone to then call Keeva Cay-oim-he to her face would be just plain rude.

Oh of course I wouldn't expect anyone who is not familiar with Irish or Irish names to have a clue how to pronounce it!

[Nemo123]

Caoi, pronounced kwee, means mist. MH is v, and e is eh or a.

Caoimhe, as I just looked it up,means gentle, gracful, beautiful.

Well-named, I don't think so.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Tare, like T-air?

Blimey Niamh..it looks like you and i speak the same language. lol.

Tair (as in Bare, Bear, Fair) is how we do it..but it could also be T-are as in Tar....or Tair-re.
Its Italian, and they pronounce it Tar-re.

So who is correct?

I wouldnt be if i got annoyed at the everyday attempts i get, but i would if i had to correct the same people again and again.

[ElProximo]

If Quetzacoatl wants her name to sound like 'Kevin' then her parents ought to have done so or else don't bother using English letters in the first place!

[Oooo_get_her]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

If Quetzacoatl wants her name to sound like 'Kevin' then her parents ought to have done so or else don't bother using English letters in the first place!

I remember you from when I was here last year. You are a troll.

I will not rise to your baiting - I hope others won't either.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Blimey Niamh..it looks like you and i speak the same language. lol.

Tair (as in Bare, Bear, Fair) is how we do it..but it could also be T-are as in Tar....or Tair-re.
Its Italian, and they pronounce it Tar-re.

So who is correct?

I wouldnt be if i got annoyed at the everyday attempts i get, but i would if i had to correct the same people again and again.

Yes it could, I don't think anyone is getting annoyed or expecting people to just know about Irish names and how they're pronounced if that's thepoint you're trying to make?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

If Quetzacoatl wants her name to sound like 'Kevin' then her parents ought to have done so or else don't bother using English letters in the first place!

*yawns*

[Orvakki]

Well to start with it's a miracle you can type it.

[Nemo123]

correction,caoi means manner. Ceo is mist.

[StGeorge]

Originally Posted by ElProximo

If Quetzacoatl wants her name to sound like 'Kevin' then her parents ought to have done so or else don't bother using English letters in the first place!

Although i have used the term English to describe A, B, C etc....i believe that these symbols are in fact from ancient script and have been derived from Roman times perhaps. Im not sure. But i dont think the English own those letters.
So if you take what has been said previous with Irish being translated via Latin etc..its not a straight forward answer to say its all because of Irish to English.

Check out Oooo's link as its very good.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by StGeorge

Although i have used the term English to describe A, B, C etc....i believe that these symbols are in fact from ancient script and have been derived from Roman times perhaps. Im not sure. But i dont think the English own those letters.
So if you take what has been said previous with Irish being translated via Latin etc..its not a straight forward answer to say its all because of Irish to English.

Check out Oooo's link as its very good.

I really don't think he has any interest other than to insult us tbh