[Cherie]

Originally Posted by rusticgal

No Vanessa...just because he doesn't like Raph does not make him a bully. He is entitled to dislike and he is entitled to change his mind. He is a bit of a twit and doesn't like people getting the better of him....but he isn't a bully.

[armand.kay]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Raph has tried to talk to Joe, but he always dismisses him.

This isn't bullying Vanessa

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Raph has tried to talk to Joe, but he always dismisses him.

Not wanting to speak to someone you don't like isn't bullying

[Vanessa]

I think we will have a clearer picture after tonight show. I'm starting to understand Rebecca comments now.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by armand.kay

This isn't bullying Vanessa

I didn't say this was. But in my opinion the way he treats Raph is.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Not wanting to speak to someone you don't like isn't bullying

It's not about that. It's about the way he speaks to Raph.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

But Raph doesn't constantly slag Joe off. We will have to see what Joe says about Raph that sets Andrew off. Housemates were on his side.

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members

Joe has been bitching about Raph a lot behind his back lately. So he's not innocent as he makes out.

[Macie Lightfoot]

someone not liking Raph doesn't automatically mean that that person is an evil bully and Raph is the poor victim. It's entirely possible for Raph to be annoying and wormy and for Joe to be the human embodiment of Brexit.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot

someone not liking Raph doesn't automatically mean that that person is an evil bully and Raph is the poor victim. It's entirely possible for Raph to be annoying and wormy and for Joe to be the human embodiment of Brexit.

?

What has Brexit got to do with anything?

[Nicky91]

yes he is, a deluded immature bully


i'm glad Andrew is also standing up to him

[Vanessa]

Carry on like this and Joe will be out on his ass. I won't even need to vote

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Carry on like this and Joe will be out on his ass. I won't even need to vote

well maybe you should, just a few times

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

well maybe you should, just a few times

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday

oh but the votes are also important, just saying i wouldn't want him to stay now, then the deluded prick will only be more full of himself

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Andrew is doing a brilliant job, making sure Joe is evicted on friday

I am sure if Joe goes on Friday,someone else will be bullying Raph

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Joe does not 'constantly' slag Raph off either tbh. Raph and the 'outsiders' have been bitching about the others a lot more than the others have been bitching about them. From what we have seen anyway.

Joe has not been exposed as saying stuff about Raph behind his back in the same way as Rap has been about Joe...

Saying bad things about someone you dislike does not mean you are bullying them. God, this whole forum is bullying every hosuemate if that was the case

I don;t understand the need to make Raph a victim tbh. He is doing fairly well on his own so does not need a 'poor me' narrative made up by forum members

[Vanessa]

Joe reminds me of a work collegue, who likes to put others down. Last time she told me to keep quiet. I told her : i will when the others do as well

[camertone]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I've never liked the guy and from the beginning i noticed him listen to Tom comment about his vt and then he turned on Raph. Before that he said he was a nice guy.
He also has no problem with anyone nominating him, except for Raph. He seems threatened by Raph, sees him as competition so wants him out. But hs behaviour is getting worse and worse.

verbally, definitely..

[RhysJones]

Wow, anyone who says anything against Raph is a bully. Joe, Tom, simone is apparently plotting a massive strategy to take Raph down. You can't do anything or say anything against Raph without having like 20 comments criticising you. But of course, people won't chose to listen to the things Raph has said to Joe (or behind his back more like)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Joe has been bitching about Raph a lot behind his back lately. So he's not innocent as he makes out.

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent

He told Chanelle he never said anything bad about anyone.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Joe doesn't make out he is innocent

No,He "don't give a fack"

[Beso]

No he is nowhere near being a bully, dont be so bloody ridiculous.

[Niamh.]

ok honestly, I wouldn't say he's a bully but he is rude and he does pick on Raph sometimes because he sees him as weak i think