[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not pretty. Only disturbing.

I’d say the view that men who’re victims of domestic abuse are just “too nice” to hit back is pretty disturbing too

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Not pretty. Only disturbing.

What's disturbing about it?

[Rob!]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I’d say the view that men who’re victims of domestic abuse are just “too nice” to hit back is pretty disturbing too

And the concept that they are 'cowards' to be down right offensive.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Whatever each individual wants it to be, India clearly wants to be a female, clearly believes that she is, from my perspective that makes her a woman... and Luke A is a man.. but they are also a transwoman and transman from my perspective too.

For me, it is more to do with their brain, and less to do with their genitals, and thats the definition that I use.

But if we were to go by brain then it makes them even less the sex that they want to be.

That's the one thing that can't be artificially changed.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I think Livia was quite clear with her first response.

Yes, I understand that Livia could be attracted to a person up until she learns they have the wrong chromosomes - (which wasnt actually clear in the first post) shes entitled to that, its an internal feeling, and its her feeling. Idg what point you were making.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Withano

Whatever each individual wants it to be, India clearly wants to be a female, clearly believes that she is, from my perspective that makes her a woman... and Luke A is a man.. but they are also a transwoman and transman from my perspective too.

For me, it is more to do with their brain, and less to do with their genitals, and thats the definition that I use.

The brain is just another organ though.Biologically You can’t discount the rest of the body imo as it’s all part of the package

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Biting? We're having a discussion. If that offends you then feel free to leave.

I was referring more to you seemingly confirming that most male victims of domestic violence are only so because they're too polite to hit back as opposed to being an actual victim from someone abusing their mentally and maybe physically weaker partner.

I think the scenario you present there is valid but quite a small percentage. It is much more common in women so therefore a bigger problem. That doesn’t mean any male victims are less important just not so prevalent.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, I understand that Livia could be attracted to a person up until she learns they have the wrong chromosomes - (which wasnt actually clear in the first post) shes entitled to that, its an internal feeling, and its her feeling. Idg what point you were making.

It's not just that though. As Vicky kindly described in graphic detail they are physically very different.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

But if we were to go by brain then it makes them even less the sex that they want to be.

That's the one thing that can't be artificially changed.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

The brain is just another organ though.Biologically You can’t discount the rest of the body imo as it’s all part of the package

There are several differences between the typical male brain and the typical female brains and study's have shown than trans' brains are more similar to the typical brain of the sex they feel as if they are. Thats just a thing we know now. If a person believes they are either male or female, then they, to me, will be a man or a woman. idc what genitals they were born with

(I presumed this was still part of the what is the definition of a woman convo I was having, so answered in that way?)

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jake.

I’d say the view that men who’re victims of domestic abuse are just “too nice” to hit back is pretty disturbing too

Why - it isn’t exactly an insult. I just mean that some men are too big to hit a woman. That makes them better than the women involved.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

It's not just that though. As Vicky kindly described in graphic detail they are physically very different.

Right, but Livia seemed interested in chromosomes, I understand that Vicky has her reasons too. Any reason is fine, i was never telling people they had to be interested in transpeople, i was just keen to find out why.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are several differences between the typical male brain and the typical female brains and study's have shown than trans' brains are more similar to the typical brain of the sex they feel as if they are. Thats just a thing we know now. If a person believes they are either male or female, then they, to me, will be a man or a woman. idc what genitals they were born with

(I presumed this was still part of the what is the definition of a woman convo I was having, so answered in that way?)

There's a study I read that said trans people tend to have a unique brain compared to traditional male and female brains.

Therefore supporting Vicky's notion that they are trans rather than simply man or woman I suppose.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why - it isn’t exactly an insult. I just mean that some men are too big to hit a woman. That makes them better than the women involved.

There is truth in what you say.
Most men i know wouldn’t hit back full force and if they did they’d be the one in the police cell that night.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

Why - it isn’t exactly an insult. I just mean that some men are too big to hit a woman. That makes them better than the women involved.

Because to me that’s implying that the reason they’re victims of domestic abuse is due to them being “too nice”, when it’s more to do with the woman being a domineering piece of ****

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Withano

Whatever each individual wants it to be, India clearly wants to be a female, clearly believes that she is, from my perspective that makes her a woman... and Luke A is a man.. but they are also a transwoman and transman from my perspective too.

For me, it is more to do with their brain, and less to do with their genitals, and thats the definition that I use.

So woman/man is a state of mind, not actual measurable real things?

I guess that makes sense. In a way.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

There's a study I read that said trans people tend to have a unique brain compared to traditional male and female brains.

Therefore supporting Vicky's notion that they are trans rather than simply man or woman I suppose.

Many identify as trans too tbf, some do not. Each to their own.

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, I understand that Livia could be attracted to a person up until she learns they have the wrong chromosomes - (which wasnt actually clear in the first post) shes entitled to that, its an internal feeling, and its her feeling. Idg what point you were making.

But you still try to make it sound wrong in some way. Many feel the same way including me. There is nothing wrong with not being attracted to a transgender. You do get that!

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So woman/man is a state of mind, not actual measurable real things?

I guess that makes sense. In a way.

except that science has identified it by chromosomes, and it is biologically accurate

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

There are several differences between the typical male brain and the typical female brains and study's have shown than trans' brains are more similar to the typical brain of the sex they feel as if they are. Thats just a thing we know now. If a person believes they are either male or female, then they, to me, will be a man or a woman. idc what genitals they were born with

(I presumed this was still part of the what is the definition of a woman convo I was having, so answered in that way?)

So you are saying, hand on heart, you would date anyone of any sex as long as they believed they were the sex you prefer?

[Brillopad]

Originally Posted by Jake.

Because to me that’s implying that the reason they’re victims of domestic abuse is due to them being “too nice”, when it’s more to do with the woman being a domineering piece of ****

I already said those women were cowards. Anyone who physically attacks someone they know either can’t or won’t fight back is a coward.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So woman/man is a state of mind, not actual measurable real things?

I guess that makes sense. In a way.

Thats how I interpret it yeh. If I woke up with a vagina and tits tomorrow I would be confused (obviously) but also KNOW that I was in the wrong body, and I truly believe that if I was born that way, I would still KNOW that I was a man in the wrong, and I would want you, and everybody else to acknowledge me as a man. I wouldnt care that I didnt have those genitals, my brain would still know that I was a man regardless of what parts I had.

And I use that logic to give pronouns to others

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Brillopad

But you still try to make it sound wrong in some way. Many feel the same way including me. There is nothing wrong with not being attracted to a transgender. You do get that!

I literally said that you are allowed to have that opinion or something along those lines. That was true when I first responded, its still true now.

Edit: I said "I'm not saying you're wrong but just to clarify, this is in your own head"

You are not wrong, any internal feeling is a legitimate reason to not be attracted to somebody. Its just not one that makes sense to me personally

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

So you are saying, hand on heart, you would date anyone of any sex as long as they believed they were the sex you prefer?

Yes, 37% of the forum said that, I was one of them. I understand there is 63% of the forum that thinks differently, and thats okay too.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

except that science has identified it by chromosomes, and it is biologically accurate

Well yes I know, I was more interested in those who say that transwomen are actual women rather than transwomen. To say that, there must be a different meaning of 'woman' than adult human female. That meaning, that is not about biology, is what I was trying to figure out. Am actually glad withano gave that answer as I can kind of understand now where people are coming from when they say that now. Usually the answer given is 'anyone who identifies as a woman' which is clearly a nonsensical definition as its circular.

As for male brains and female brains...jury is out. Brains tend to be mosaic and they actually change based on life experiences. For example a taxi driver can be identified as a taxi driver based on brain scans. I know sex dysphoria shows on brain scans though, same as anorexia can be identified on brain scans.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Yes, 37% of the forum said that, I was one of them. I understand there is 63% of the forum that thinks differently, and thats okay too.

I think that is too simplistic a view. If you don't fancy girls/or boys and the person looks like what you don't fancy. Them thinking they are isn't going to cut it.