[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Why? If you haven’t seen the film why would you come into a thread discussing the film

Because it's a big spoiler for others..

Other people have been looking on this thread have said they are watching it soon and they could see what Marsh said. Everyone has put everything in spoilers.

[Barry.]

Loved this movie.

[Elliot]

A little disappointed tbh. Nowhere as good as infinity wars imo

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

The defacto leader who was relegated to the background once the male heroes decided they'd like to take part again.

Then died because the mass murderer had more to live for (ie. Has kids). That's not a sexist trope.

Spoiler:

To be fair she doesn't have the powers or tech the others have, so of course they'd take a more promiment role ... and having a family is more to live for, it's the most important job in the world!

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

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To be fair she doesn't have the powers or tech the others have, so of course they'd take a more promiment role ... and having a family is more to live for, it's the most important job in the world!

Yeah. A woman's only purpose is to have kids, right?

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah. A woman's only purpose is to have kids, right?

Where did you get that from? I'm talking about Clint being a parent. Parents always trump non-parents.

[Tom4784]

It was good but not amazing. A solid 8/10.

Spoiler:

I rolled my eyes when they fridged Black Widow in almost exactly the same way as Gamora. It was a big mistake and I don't like how quickly forgotten her death was. She was pretty much the first and, for quite a while, only female hero in the MCU and they brushed her aside in a terrible way.

I also feel, strangely enough, that despite the long runtime, the film felt REALLY rushed. They could have added a few more scenes in the second half to help the pacing. I also don't think this film really did much to assuage my issues with Captain Marvel either, she's still unrelateable and a bit of a personality vacuum and she's far too powerful with no real weaknesses. I was surprised by how little she was in the film but I didn't miss her which is a bit of a worrying sign given that she's likely going to lead the MCU going forward.

My last complaint was that they played it too safe, I liked that they didn't undo the timejump (although that makes Spiderman's situation odd, did every one of his supporting cast get dusted with him? 'Cus his friends would be in their 20's by now if they weren't), but I felt like they could have taken more risks with the plot. I think it's a shame that they completely undid Thanos' characterisation and journey in Infinity War as well just to make him more of a moustache twirling villain when he was more complex before.

As for what I liked, I loved how Cap and Tony's stories ended, it felt right and deserved and they did right by both of them (I just hope they don't undo both of those endings down the road). I teared up quite a bit when Tony reunited with Peter and during their last goodbye, I loved their relationship and it's one thing I will miss going forward.

I liked how (although it felt a little forced in some ways) the female heroes got their chance to shine as well, I almost went full on 'yaaaas' in the cinema when Scarlet Witch was beating Thanos' ass. I just hope the scene where they all teamed up is an overt tease for an A-Force film. I think one thing they did well in this film was that almost everyone had their chance to shine which, for a cast this big, is a big ask.

I thought the final battle as a whole was just perfection and I loved the whole 'time heist' part of the film. I thought the first half of the film was great tbh and I wished we saw the effects of Thanos' snaps in places like Wakanda which was obviously left without heirs as both T'Challa and Shurie were both dusted.

As for the future, I'm looking forward to Guardians 3 being rebranded as Asgardians of the Galaxy and I'm glad they've found another trilogy for Thor to find a home in as they only made him truly great in Ragnarok and it would have been a great shame if his story ended just as they had finally found out how to make him work well as a character. I also think that one thing they'll announce soon is a Young Avengers film, the stuff with Hawkeye's daughter and Cassie remaining a teenager felt like an overt hint, as did the lingering shot of that teenage boy at Tony's funeral. If a Young Avengers film happens then it could be huge for diversity since two of it's most notable heroes are gay and in a relationship and it would probably be difficult to do YA without that aspect since it would piss a lot of people off.

Beyond Asgardians of the Galaxy, A-Force and Young Avengers though, I'm not sure what else they hinted at. I was half expecting a tiny X-men hint but it's probably too soon for them yet.

[James]

The Red Letter Media review is really spot-on about what I thought of the film.

Youtube video

I forgot that the last episode of Star Trek: Voyager was also called Endgame.

[Tom4784]

Oh and on the topic of.....

Spoiler:

....Time Travel, they can't change the past or interfere with past events since alterations only creates alternate realities. If they changed something and went back to their future, it would be the same. It's why Nebula didn't die when she killed her past self.

[LukeB]

Spoiler:

I'm glad they didn't play it safe with the deaths though as much as I love Black Widow and Iron Man it would have been a bit meh if someone like Sam died. I wouldn't have been bothered if Clint was the one who jumped though.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It was good but not amazing. A solid 8/10.

Spoiler:

I also don't think this film really did much to assuage my issues with Captain Marvel either, she's still unrelateable and a bit of a personality vacuum and she's far too powerful with no real weaknesses. I was surprised by how little she was in the film but I didn't miss her which is a bit of a worrying sign given that she's likely going to lead the MCU going forward.
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I almost went full on 'yaaaas' in the cinema when Scarlet Witch was beating Thanos' ass.

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tbh I think that Scarlet Witch should fill in for Captain Marvel's role - she has an actual personality, charisma, and more history in the series.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

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as did the lingering shot of that teenage boy at Tony's funeral.

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Didn't you recognise him? It was the lad from Iron Man 3, who was also in Jurassic World!

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[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Where did you get that from? I'm talking about Clint being a parent. Parents always trump non-parents.

Exactly. So, she's useless cuz she has no sprog.

How reductive.

Even her death was glossed over.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Because it's a big spoiler for others..

Other people have been looking on this thread have said they are watching it soon and they could see what Marsh said. Everyone has put everything in spoilers.

But if anyone is coming into the thread wanting to remain spoiler-free, all they're going to see anyway is spoiler tags so they wouldn't want to come in until after.

Once something is out/aired, it's your job not to venture into discussion until afterwards.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Exactly. So, she's useless cuz she has no sprog.

How reductive.

Even her death was glossed over.

She's not useless, just less important

I'll give you that her death was glossed over though.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

She's not useless, just less important

I'll give you that her death was glossed over though.

Yeah, we're discussing bad writing where the female characters are reduced to love interests and baby vessels. That's what made her unimportant and why the female characters were offered a piss-poor 5 second shot of "empowerment".

Glad we got there in the end anyway.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, we're discussing bad writing where the female characters are reduced to love interests and baby vessels. That's what made her unimportant and why the female characters were offered a piss-poor 5 second shot of "empowerment".

That's not all they had - Scarlet Witch handed Thanos' ass to him, and probably would have killed him if he didn't called for backup; Captain Marvel saved the Benetar and was instrumental in killing Thanos the first time; Tae Diggs was covering for Black Panther in Wakanda; Ancient One totally had the upperhand with Professor Hulk; the finale wouldn't have happened without Nebula; and Romanov decided to sacrifice herself to get the Soul Stone.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

That's not all they had - Scarlet Witch handed Thanos' ass to him, and probably would have killed him if he didn't called for backup; Captain Marvel saved the Benetar and was instrumental in killing Thanos the first time; Tae Diggs was covering for Black Panther in Wakanda; Ancient One totally had the upperhand with Professor Hulk; the finale wouldn't have happened without Nebula; and Romanov decided to sacrifice herself to get the Soul Stone.

I don't understand what you're saying?

Scarlet Witch got a 5 second fight scene so the writing for female superheroes in this franchise is suddenly fine?

[Barry.]

Spoiler:

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Spoiler:

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?

Yeah, it didn't make sense.

Like Dezzy said, the Steve that went to return the stones wouldn't be in the present as an old man because he would be in the alternate timeline.

[Ross.]

I ****ing loved this Worth the wait

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Barry.

Spoiler:

I am confused at a certain bit. When Steve decided to stay in the past, where was that's past Steve Rogers? Like the one who would be in Civil war etc?

Wasn't he frozen back then?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

Yeah, it didn't make sense.

Like Dezzy said, the Steve that went to return the stones wouldn't be in the present as an old man because he would be in the alternate timeline.

Spoiler:

He was part of our timeline because he went back to the past after he was already frozen, new timelines would have been created if it was the past version of Steve that stayed but not the future Steve because the past Steve's path was unaltered by Steve going back..... I hope that makes sense.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Spoiler:

He was part of our timeline because he went back to the past after he was already frozen, new timelines would have been created if it was the past version of Steve that stayed but not the future Steve because the past Steve's path was unaltered by Steve going back..... I hope that makes sense.

You hope that makes sense? FAT CHANCE.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You hope that makes sense? FAT CHANCE.

IT IS BASIC TIME TRAVEL LOGIC, MARSHA!

[Barry.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Wasn't he frozen back then?

So they kept him frozen in the timeline?