[arista]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

How would there be even one? Looks fairly unianimous to me

It taking longer for the counting in some parts

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Euro Elections are different because they're Proportional Representation, not elected by constituency. So basically, the SNP got the most votes in every constituency, but the 6 Scottish MEPs are divided up by overall percentage for the whole country. Brexit party got (I believe) around 14% of the overall vote so they have one MEP. Lib Dems and Tories also have one Scottish MEP each. However, if this was a General Election, every Scottish MP (in Westminster) would be SNP. Bit confusing really because of the two different electoral systems.

So, the fact that near all of England is blue..doesn't necessarily mean all the European MPs for here will be Brexit party then? Thats..a silver lining at least. Though I still don't know what they actually DO

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Do MPs HAVE to vote for the Brexit plan? Or theoretically, could Farage just get there, say **** it, no deal brexit, do it, then leave.

MEP's in Europe have no "real" power to do anything at all... and even if Brexit Party somehow won a General Election, the PM has no executive power to do... well also anything at all... without Parliament backing and certainly not something as big as Brexit. I believe it's already been put into law that Westminster will not trigger a no-deal Brexit from this end without parliament specifically voting for it. The only way we can no-deal is if it gets a majority vote in Parliament, or if we're basically forced out by the EU.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

MEP's in Europe have no "real" power to do anything at all... and even if Brexit Party somehow won a General Election, the PM has no executive power to do... well also anything at all... without Parliament backing and certainly not something as big as Brexit. I believe it's already been put into law that Westminster will not trigger a no-deal Brexit from this end without parliament specifically voting for it. The only way we can no-deal is if it gets a majority vote in Parliament, or if we're basically forced out by the EU.

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks Theres a shock.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

So, the fact that near all of England is blue..doesn;t necessarily mean all the European MPs for here will be Brexit party then? Thats..a silver lining at least. Though I still don;t know what they actually DO

Not much, they fly to Europe a lot and argue about stuff I think . And vote on EU-wide issues. Farage mainly goes to sit and bleat "Breeexiiiit" and have all of the other MEP's troll him.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks Theres a shock.

Honestly I think if May's legacy is anything... it's proving once and for all that Prime Ministers have no power at all if they can't gain support in the room .

"We will do THIS!"
"...No."
"OK then... I want to do this!"
".....no Theresa."
"This?"
"Nah."
"Err... can we at least do THIS then please?"
"lol we said no."
"OK I resign."

[Vicky.]

Apparently..hmm.

(May not be true, just a FB thing obviously..)

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Honestly I think if May's legacy is anything... it's proving once and for all that Prime Ministers have no power at all if they can't gain support in the room .

"We will do THIS!"
"...No."
"OK then... I want to do this!"
".....no Theresa."
"This?"
"Nah."
"Err... can we at least do THIS then please?"
"lol we said no."
"OK I resign."

True

[bots]

it is true Vicky, the country is just as split as it has been since the ref. Nothing has changed

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Not much, they fly to Europe a lot and argue about stuff I think . And vote on EU-wide issues. Farage mainly goes to sit and bleat "Breeexiiiit" and have all of the other MEP's troll him.

Yes
a gravy train.

But in The EU Italy and France now also have
Larger Right Wing MEP's

Its a Big EU change

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Ah thats good then. So basically, all this crowing about 'I WILL do this' and stuff is, bollocks Theres a shock.

They will all be out on their ear on 31st October when the UK exits

[Twosugars]

Remain won

And go Scotland!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Apparently..hmm.

(May not be true, just a FB thing obviously..)

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

it is true Vicky, the country is just as split as it has been since the ref. Nothing has changed

Looks to me like theres been a rather large shift towards anti-brexit tbh. The gap has widened pretty consistently since the vote, as MPs **** about. It was neck and neck.Though of course, this can't really be taken as a proper public opinion as..well so many didn't bother voting (and it wasn't a pro/anti brexit vote anyway really, though many took it that way), this is the opinion of what..32% or something of the country?! Useless in itself, but interesting none the less.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

They will all be out on their ear on 31st October when the UK exits

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Looks to me like theres been a rather large shift towards anti-brexit tbh. The gap has widened pretty consistently since the vote, as MPs **** about. It was neck and neck.Though of course, this can't really be taken as a proper public opinion as..well so many didn't bother voting (and it wasn't a pro/anti brexit vote anyway really, though many took it that way), this is the opinion of what..32% or something of the country?! Useless in itself, but interesting none the less.

There's a slight indication that there's a shift to anti-brexit but it could still be roughly 50/50; it's hard to know the Brexit intentions of Labour and Tory voters.

However, it IS safe to assume that all of the "non Brexit party" voters and at least HALF (and that's a low estimate) of Tory and Labour supporters definitely do NOT want Brexit with "no deal". It's relatively sensible to assume that any Tory or Labour voters who are in favour of No Deal would have made that clear by voting Brexit Party.

So if you take "remain" off the table and make it "Some sort of EU deal vs No EU deal", the results are extremely clear. The UK does not want "No Deal". That idea quite simply has to be put to bed, and Westminster needs to either complete a deal that works or revoke A50. Anything else is resoundingly undemocratic at this point.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh

I agree with you Vicky, he hates the EU so much he wants to be an MEP

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote

Ha, it was you that actually motivated me to take 2 days worth of painkillers and shuffle my way over to our voting station on an extremely bad pain day

[arista]

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I'm positive Farage doesn't really want to leave you know. Not given the perks (and wages) of European MPs if what I have seen is correct, apparently he gets 80k a year? Plus expenses and endless travel allowance too. One of my friends was arguing the other day that the sole reason the Brexit Party appeared was because Nige was in danger of losing his Eurpoean seat and thus, his space on the gravy train, said the 'party' was basically a vanity project to ensure he kept his job, hence no manifesto, no nothing besides 'vote for farage yeah!'. Not looked into that properly yet but hes usually pretty clued up on all things politics so ready to take his word tbh

I fully agree, he’s the ultimate opportunist, he’s pulled the wool over the country’s eyes to benefit himself and he’s gonna be laughing all the way to the bank, he’s many things, but dumb isn’t one of them, he knows what he’s got to do to keep himself relevant

[Nicky91]

Go London

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No that is correct 40 per cent for pro remain opposed to 35 per cent pro Brexit

This is why I told you it was important to vote

its not true in the slightest, Gina whots her face tried that on with Nick Ferrari this morning and he destroyed her

The next caller, and i kid you not, was a leave Green voter

[Crimson Dynamo]

look at the front row faces

[Nicky91]

all this boosting Nigel's already huge ego even more

[arista]

[Tom Harwood
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Not including the Tory Party as a pro-Brexit vote when doing weird maths to manipulate your result is beyond mental.

��Some�� journalists who should know better are actually taking the piss.

Being factual, it's 60/40 to Leave.
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