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arista · 09-09-2019, 09:54 AM

The Slim Reaper · 09-09-2019, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

I keep hearing that "No deal wasn't on the ballot paper," and that's the excuse remainers use. Well "a deal" wasn't on the ballot paper either. They never mention that while they're screaming out their excuses.

Come on Alf, you're not a stupid guy; a deal was was not only campaigned for by leavers, but no deal was explicitly dismissed as project fear. You lived through this too. All of the brexit leaders were talking of a norway but better deal, about the eu would come to us for a deal etc.

When folks keep peddling this same bs rather than acknowledge they were lied to, then it's just crazy.

On top of that, May called a GE to get a majority so she could force through a hard brexit, 54% (a higher percentage than the ref) voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

When you get an hour over the next few days, do me a favour and go on yt and lookup some of the brexit promises in that campaign.

You've also, and without intending to do so, explained full well why we need a final referendum with the deal/no deal vs revoke.

Denver · 09-09-2019, 10:58 AM

Parliament will be closed by the end of business today

arista · 09-09-2019, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Parliament will be closed by the end of business today

Yes Last day of Parliament
today.

Then its the Political Party Conferences

Back on Monday October 14th

Alf · 09-09-2019, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Come on Alf, you're not a stupid guy; a deal was was not only campaigned for by leavers, but no deal was explicitly dismissed as project fear. You lived through this too. All of the brexit leaders were talking of a norway but better deal, about the eu would come to us for a deal etc.

When folks keep peddling this same bs rather than acknowledge they were lied to, then it's just crazy.

On top of that, May called a GE to get a majority so she could force through a hard brexit, 54% (a higher percentage than the ref) voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

When you get an hour over the next few days, do me a favour and go on yt and lookup some of the brexit promises in that campaign.

You've also, and without intending to do so, explained full well why we need a final referendum with the deal/no deal vs revoke.

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

Twosugars · 09-09-2019, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

Fake news
They didn't win if you count the votes of all opposition parties calling for a soft brexit or no brexit at all
More people voted for those than no deal

arista · 09-09-2019, 11:43 AM

The Flying birds pick up the mood.

https://news.sky.com/story/live-john...ction-11805412

Twosugars · 09-09-2019, 11:50 AM

Fake news.

Big Ben is surrounded by scaffolding

arista · 09-09-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Fake news.

Big Ben is surrounded by scaffolding

Of Course Old Photo
better days

The Slim Reaper · 09-09-2019, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alf

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

I already said that 54% of voters, voted for parties that explicitly ruled out a no deal.

The Slim Reaper · 09-09-2019, 12:00 PM

Twosugars · 09-09-2019, 12:29 PM

Brilliant clip, thanks TSR

arista · 09-09-2019, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Brilliant clip, thanks TSR

Typical Clip avoids our PM talking.

Vicky. · 09-09-2019, 12:37 PM

'Leavers voted for no deal!!!' is just lies. ALL of the leavers I know, voted assuming we were in a position of strength and would get any deal we like from the EU..basically. That it was all going to be easy. Which clearly, it hasn't been. But no, they did not vote to crash out and **** the country. Maybe the ones who believed we could keep all immigrants out, and kick out any remaining brown people did vote that way though..given they are clearly a bit thick and care about nothing but their racism.

The amount of leavers who said to me that we would be able to get a trade deal, whilst also closing our borders completely was ridiculous. There was never a reason for that to be agreed. As if the Eu would just let us keep the good bits, and get rid of the bad, why the **** would they do that?! But they had been convinced that that would be happening..for some odd reason

Twosugars · 09-09-2019, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

'Leavers voted for no deal!!!' is just lies. ALL of the leavers I know, voted assuming we were in a position of strength and would get any deal we like from the EU..basically. That it was all going to be easy. Which clearly, it hasn't been. But no, they did not vote to crash out and **** the country. Maybe the ones who believed we could keep all immigrants out, and kick out any remaining brown people did vote that way though..given they are clearly a bit thick and care about nothing but their racism.

The amount of leavers who said to me that we would be able to get a trade deal, whilst also closing our borders completely was ridiculous. There was never a reason for that to be agreed. As if the Eu would just let us keep the good bits, and get rid of the bad, why the **** would they do that?! But they had been convinced that that would be happening..for some odd reason

Vicky for mod! Oh wait....

arista · 09-09-2019, 01:17 PM

Johnson PM
wants a Election
as Corbyn is Remain now.
So its Clear, of course tonight no other party will back
any vote the PM does.

Tom4784 · 09-09-2019, 01:22 PM

Anyone who has ever called a remainer 'undemocratic' or has bemoaned their views or made them out to be morally wrong in any way are a complete and utter hypocrite if they support Boris pulling this **** and flouting the law just to get what he wants.

It's a complete ****ery of democracy what he has done and what he is planning to do, regardless of what side you are on.

Tom4784 · 09-09-2019, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Alf

We had a sort of second referendum with the 2017 General Election, where the Tories put "no deal is better than a bad deal" in their manifesto. The Tories came out on top.

Lying to win votes is what happens, and will always happen. What matters is how the people vote.

A perfect embodiment of what is wrong with politics right here, you know you're being lied to and you're ignoring the consequences and supporting such a ****show because, ultimately, all that matters is the feeling that you've 'won' no matter the cost.

arista · 09-09-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Anyone who has ever called a remainer 'undemocratic' or has bemoaned their views or made them out to be morally wrong in any way are a complete and utter hypocrite if they support Boris pulling this **** and flouting the law just to get what he wants.

It's a complete ****ery of democracy what he has done and what he is planning to do, regardless of what side you are on.

Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

arista · 09-09-2019, 01:30 PM

Niamh. · 09-09-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

haha I do like his Athena reference, well played Leo

Tom4784 · 09-09-2019, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

I'm not talking about that and if I was, your whataboutism wouldn't have distracted from it.

Parliament has democratically agreed to a law that Boris fully intends to flout, if the situation had been reversed, Brexiters would be screeching like banshees with a migraine about it.

arista · 09-09-2019, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

I'm not talking about that and if I was, your whataboutism wouldn't have distracted from it.

Parliament has democratically agreed to a law that Boris fully intends to flout, if the situation had been reversed, Brexiters would be screeching like banshees with a migraine about it.

We have to wait and see.
He has until Oct 19th
to confirm a Deal.

joeysteele · 09-09-2019, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Again Dezzy its only 5 days extra
as all Political Parties spend 4 weeks
doing the Conferences.
Why has Labour Not Cancelled ?

It isn't just 5 days extra.
They are closing Parliament down for weeks.

During the conference season parliament goes into recess but is not suspended and closed down.

Proroguing is closing it down totally.
Not just recess.

There's a big difference.

Ammi · 09-09-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele

It isn't just 5 days extra.
They are closing Parliament down for weeks.

During the conference season parliament goes into recess but is not suspended and closed down.

Proroguing is closing it down totally.
Not just recess.

There's a big difference.

...the mark of when democracy became dead in that infamous ditch, Joey..?...

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