[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thanks, i would congratulate you but then i just saw the YouGov poll which reflects the Great British Public



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

The ‘great British public’ that can only be polled if you’re registered on a website owned and run by a confessed Tory lover

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thanks, i would congratulate you but then i just saw the YouGov poll which reflects the Great British Public



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

Now you've discovered how real world polls work. You're having quite the education these last few hours

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Now you've discovered how real world polls work. You're having quite the education these last few hours

and how sweet that it was owen jones who told me

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and how sweet that it was owen jones who told me

Not Owen Jones? Not the lord emperor of everyone on the left? No way, I'm devastated.

Thinking this is a good wind up

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

yes i saw the "evidence yesterday"

it was so lame even the BBC reporter who was at the Corbyn reveal rinsed it as he was reporting on it

i think it shows that Corbyn is just not very smart, in fact he is actually quite dim. This election could be the end of the labour party as we know it.

Are all those doctors handing out unredacted copies out dim too?

[Tom4784]

People buy the Tory's lies every time, they're not gonna stop being gullible now.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Are all those doctors handing out unredacted copies out dim too?

id hope they were working and not doing stupid stuff like that?

[Tom4784]

Can you remember when Trump said the NHS was on the table months ago? Is your buddy Trump lying too? Or are you just out to discredit doctors who know the NHS better than any of us.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I'm afraid that normal document has been dealt with and is no longer news

[bots]

the doctors were specially invited to a labour event, so its more than probable they were labour supporters in the first place. That makes them biased.

For me the interesting take away from that news event was Corbyns refusal to respond to the question put to him on antisemitism. He behaved like a petulant child. Do we really want a PM that refuses to answer questions on issues that are important to the people? because it's not the first time he has behaved this way

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the doctors were specially invited to a labour event, so its more than probable they were labour supports in the first place. That makes them biased.

For me the interesting take away from that news event was Corbyns refusal to respond to the question put to him on antisemitism. He behaved like a petulant child. Do we really want a PM that refuses to answer questions on issues that are important to the people? because it's not the first time he has behaved this way

You have to ask yourself in that case why are they supporters..What are this govt doing wrong that our doctors are not supporting them?
Whether they are Labour supporters or not it does not make the information in the document less pertinent.

Deflection to other issues is not helpful there are other threads for thst discussion. He attended at least and the responses he gave were honest, at least one leader can be relied upon to be present for scrutiny?

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I'm afraid that normal document has been dealt with and is no longer news

You don't get to decide what is and isn't news based on what's convenient to you.

Answer me, was Trump lying when he visited the UK or are the Tory's lying? They contradict each other so you have to pick one side or the other.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

id hope they were working and not doing stupid stuff like that?

To work the hours they work and still feel it necessary to get this information out shows the importance.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I'm afraid that normal document has been dealt with and is no longer news

Not by a long way.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

You don't get to decide what is and isn't news based on what's convenient to you.

Answer me, was Trump lying when he visited the UK or are the Tory's lying? They contradict each other so you have to pick one side or the other.

I have been on LBC all day and watched the news and its gone as a news item, as i said when a BBC reporter at the event dismissed it as a damp squib in his report about it, its dead in the water.


"The infantile games played by Mr Corbyn and almost every Labour leader for the past 40 years in order to “weaponise” the NHS, as Ed Miliband put it in 2015, prevent politicians from making improvements for the benefit of the taxpayers who fund it and want it to work properly.

The Conservatives have shied away from reform for fear of being accused of privatising the NHS not just by Labour but by the great army of NHS employees who are wary of change, even though they know its top-heavy structures and inflexible systems are inimical to delivering the top quality health care that could be available to all.

Rightly or wrongly, the Conservatives are not only wedded to the NHS pretty much as it is established but their spending promises are only marginally less generous than their opponent’s. An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies says that under Labour, the NHS would receive 2.3 per cent more funding by 2023 than the Tories have planned for. The NHS budget will have risen by £40 billion in the 10 years of Conservative-led government, hardly the actions of a party intent on running it down."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...needed-reform/

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan

Imagine thinking Corbyn didnt lie about that, he failed to show any sort of proof

Exactly,just a distraction from his own faults.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have been on LBC all day and watched the news and its gone as a news item, as i said when a BBC reporter at the event dismissed it as a damp squib in his report about it, its dead in the water.


"The infantile games played by Mr Corbyn and almost every Labour leader for the past 40 years in order to “weaponise” the NHS, as Ed Miliband put it in 2015, prevent politicians from making improvements for the benefit of the taxpayers who fund it and want it to work properly.

The Conservatives have shied away from reform for fear of being accused of privatising the NHS not just by Labour but by the great army of NHS employees who are wary of change, even though they know its top-heavy structures and inflexible systems are inimical to delivering the top quality health care that could be available to all.

Rightly or wrongly, the Conservatives are not only wedded to the NHS pretty much as it is established but their spending promises are only marginally less generous than their opponent’s. An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies says that under Labour, the NHS would receive 2.3 per cent more funding by 2023 than the Tories have planned for. The NHS budget will have risen by £40 billion in the 10 years of Conservative-led government, hardly the actions of a party intent on running it down."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...needed-reform/

Pretty sure it was Blair who first sold out some of the NHS, but lets just forget that.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

have we got 100% of our Scottish members voting for SNP?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the doctors were specially invited to a labour event, so its more than probable they were labour supporters in the first place. That makes them biased.

For me the interesting take away from that news event was Corbyns refusal to respond to the question put to him on antisemitism. He behaved like a petulant child. Do we really want a PM that refuses to answer questions on issues that are important to the people? because it's not the first time he has behaved this way

Every medical organisation has warned us about another tory government and the damage this will cause on top of what they've already done. They aren't political bodies, they're collections of professionals that only care about the healthcare they can provide, and the conditions they're working under.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I have been on LBC all day and watched the news and its gone as a news item, as i said when a BBC reporter at the event dismissed it as a damp squib in his report about it, its dead in the water.


"The infantile games played by Mr Corbyn and almost every Labour leader for the past 40 years in order to “weaponise” the NHS, as Ed Miliband put it in 2015, prevent politicians from making improvements for the benefit of the taxpayers who fund it and want it to work properly.

The Conservatives have shied away from reform for fear of being accused of privatising the NHS not just by Labour but by the great army of NHS employees who are wary of change, even though they know its top-heavy structures and inflexible systems are inimical to delivering the top quality health care that could be available to all.

Rightly or wrongly, the Conservatives are not only wedded to the NHS pretty much as it is established but their spending promises are only marginally less generous than their opponent’s. An analysis by the Institute for Fiscal Studies says that under Labour, the NHS would receive 2.3 per cent more funding by 2023 than the Tories have planned for. The NHS budget will have risen by £40 billion in the 10 years of Conservative-led government, hardly the actions of a party intent on running it down."

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/...needed-reform/

Disinformation. .. the NHS has in the last 10yrs has gone from bein in the black to the red there are stats if you care to look.
Creeping privatisation has raped the most lucrative services.
The last health minister wrote a book on how best to achieve a private health service in the UK so it's not surprising that the NHS has been cut to the bone in the hope of exposing 'flaws'.
You can't rely on the conservatives on figures, they don't have any costing they never do and boris invents new hospitals daily...6, no 40 new ones! Pure fantasy :/

[Parmy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

thanks, i would congratulate you but then i just saw the YouGov poll which reflects the Great British Public



https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-br...-idUKKBN1Y12A4

Fantastic news.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Disinformation. .. the NHS has in the last 10yrs has gone from bein in the black to the red there are stats if you care to look.
Creeping privatisation has raped the most lucrative services.
The last health minister wrote a book on how best to achieve a private health service in the UK so it's not surprising that the NHS has been cut to the bone in the hope of exposing 'flaws'.
You can't rely on the conservatives on figures, they don't have any costing they never do and boris invents new hospitals daily...6, no 40 new ones! Pure fantasy :/

The NHS needs a huge overhaul, pretending its run well and its just about funding is what has been holding it back. I think i read that NHS hospital staff take 4 x times the national average sick leave.

When my old mum finished her hospital drama which amounted to about 9 months in and out she had amassed 10 full litre bottles of skin cream and enough liquid morphine to sedate Wales - plus lots of other stuff that would have cost a fortune and was not needed. etc etc

[In the Drunk Tank]

Looking forward to cracking out the champagne with Smudgie on December 12th

[Christmas Dynasnow]

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The NHS needs a huge overhaul, pretending its run well and its just about funding is what has been holding it back. I think i read that NHS hospital staff take 4 x times the national average sick leave.

When my old mum finished her hospital drama which amounted to about 9 months in and out she had amassed 10 full litre bottles of skin cream and enough liquid morphine to sedate Wales - plus lots of other stuff that would have cost a fortune and was not needed. etc etc

Then ask yourself why the staff are under so much stress is it due to staffing levels? Which of course is linked to funding, there is no one issue it's a catalogue of contributory factors. None of which privatisation would solve.

Was it ever thought to say no to the offer of medication offered to your mother if she had an ample supply?
That's a drain on resources people taking things simply because they are offered.