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Tom4784 · 19-01-2020, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

That’s possibly the wisest thing you’ve ever said .. quit while you’re ahead .

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So you're okay with racism and think people should stay silent when confronted with it? That's what it sounds like.

Tom4784 · 19-01-2020, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Why take everything out of context .. just to be provocative ?

I was just applauding the concept of us all being a little more tolerant of others ..

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Even though it's just a meme and we pretended for a moment that it was real, why are you not condemning the woman's racist intolerance and instead focusing on condemning the victim for being intolerant of intolerance? Explain.

Zizu · 19-01-2020, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

Even though it's just a meme and we pretended for a moment that it was real, why are you not condemning the woman's racist intolerance and instead focusing on condemning the victim for being intolerant of intolerance? Explain.

If you’re happy with the girl being super chuffed that the old lady had passed away days after insulting her ...

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Tom4784 · 19-01-2020, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

If you’re happy with the girl being super chuffed that the old lady had passed away days after insulting her ...

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If someone told me they were basically nostalgic for the days I would have been a slave, I wouldn't shed a tear over them dying.

You're getting up in arms about a black person being unbothered about someone dying who basically said to them that they consider them a lower form of human that should be enslaved.

Twosugars · 19-01-2020, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Why take everything out of context .. just to be provocative ?

I was just applauding the concept of us all being a little more tolerant of others ..

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Your position may have been poorly worded?

I'd understand if you called for tolerance of people who are mentally Ill but not bc they are simply old.
Maybe that's what you meant? Idk.

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

You imagine lots of things though .. soooooo

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Grow up lad.

user104658 · 19-01-2020, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy

If someone told me they were basically nostalgic for the days I would have been a slave, I wouldn't shed a tear over them dying.

You're getting up in arms about a black person being unbothered about someone dying who basically said to them that they consider them a lower form of human that should be enslaved.

"Unbothered" is fine but they're not unbothered, they're gloating/celebrating it. Again this is of course in the land of make-believe where this incident actually happened and isn't a fictional viral TikTok.

My opinion on this would be different if the person who originally made the content didn't specify "clearly mentally ill" - it completely changes the discussion. Though I wouldn't be comfortable condoning the "I'm going to punch them in the throat" comment either way, the "karma" comment would be more understandable.

But beaming about karma over the death of a mentally ill (IN THEIR OWN WORDS) person because they "said racist stuff"...? Gross.

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

You took the side of the girl...

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I don't think I did defend the girl. You defended the racist in the scenario and I responded.

Finding a racist... well, racist is not justification of violence or death threats.

Shouldn't have to point out such an obvious, basic thing sooooooo..

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Unbothered" is fine but they're not unbothered, they're gloating/celebrating it. Again this is of course in the land of make-believe where this incident actually happened and isn't a fictional viral TikTok.

My opinion on this would be different if the person who originally made the content didn't specify "clearly mentally ill" - it completely changes the discussion. Though I wouldn't be comfortable condoning the "I'm going to punch them in the throat" comment either way, the "karma" comment would be more understandable.

But beaming about karma over the death of a mentally ill (IN THEIR OWN WORDS) person because they "said racist stuff"...? Gross.

Tbf "clearly mentally ill" is a poorly used phrase by a lot of people to just dismiss/insult someone so (if this scenario was real that is

) I wouldn't necessarily take it that she diagnosed the woman as actually mentally ill.

Josy · 19-01-2020, 01:54 PM

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Tom4784 · 19-01-2020, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh.

Tbf "clearly mentally ill" is a poorly used phrase by a lot of people to just dismiss/insult someone so (if this scenario was real that is

) I wouldn't necessarily take it that she diagnosed the woman as actually mentally ill.

Pretty much, it's just another hoop to jump through to make someone who is a victim of racism look bad.

At the end of the day, if someone's a twat in life then I'm not gonna really pretend to grieve for them in death to make myself look better to other people. That's gross and I'd hate it if a bunch of people who hated me in life pretended like they were my best friend when I died.

I don't think anyone should shed a tear for someone who looks back at slavely fondly.

Zizu · 19-01-2020, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars

Your position may have been poorly worded?

I'd understand if you called for tolerance of people who are mentally Ill but not bc they are simply old.

Maybe that's what you meant? Idk.

It is basically what I meant I’d like us all to be more tolerant of others but with the proviso that some / many old people should be afforded even more tolerance for different reasons.

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Crimson Dynamo · 19-01-2020, 03:19 PM

How anyone can find humour in this is beyond me

Zizu · 19-01-2020, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Interesting

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Zizu · 19-01-2020, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"Unbothered" is fine but they're not unbothered, they're gloating/celebrating it. Again this is of course in the land of make-believe where this incident actually happened and isn't a fictional viral TikTok.

My opinion on this would be different if the person who originally made the content didn't specify "clearly mentally ill" - it completely changes the discussion. Though I wouldn't be comfortable condoning the "I'm going to punch them in the throat" comment either way, the "karma" comment would be more understandable.

But beaming about karma over the death of a mentally ill (IN THEIR OWN WORDS) person because they "said racist stuff"...? Gross.

Again , another well informed, balanced post .

Watch and learn guys !!

You know who you are

I’m done here now .. Liverpool about to play ManU ... priorities..

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Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu

Again , another well informed, balanced post .

Watch and learn guys !!

You know who you are

I’m done here now .. Liverpool about to play ManU ... priorities..

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Grow up.

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How anyone can find humour in this is beyond me

I agree tbh.

Rob is so juvenile.

Shaun · 19-01-2020, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Josy

I understand where zizu is coming from with elderly people being from a different era were things that have obviously never been ok but somehow where seen as being so back then, things weren't as pc either so being the age they are they will be more set in thier old ways and today's ways will take a bit of time getting used to, that however doesnt excuse being outright offensive and then using age or illnesses as an excuse to get away with it but we rightly expect them to adjust to today's society so in fairness we should also be a little more tolerant and accepting of them trying to catch up. IMO

In the elderly home I visit a lot some of them say things that are completely unacceptable (mostly sexism towards female staff that I've witnessed) but when this is explained to them by staff some of them really dont seem to understand why.

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Another well informed and balanced post for you Zizu.

Crimson Dynamo · 19-01-2020, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun

Absolutely, but there is a clear and obvious gap in age between "when slavery was legal" and "whenever this woman's youth was", let alone the gap between then and now. To try and pass this comment - "bring back slavery" - as a difference in generations today is just insanely myopic.

Its made up, it never happened - this person probably is so stupid they think that an old lady in the street can remember 1830 when she was probably born in 1940.

in creating some fanfiction to get likes on social media all they have done is illustrate how intolerant and poorly educated they are

Marsh. · 19-01-2020, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its made up, it never happened - this person probably is so stupid they think that an old lady in the street can remember 1830 when she was probably born in 1940.

in creating some fanfiction to get likes on social media all they have done is illustrate how intolerant and poorly educated they are

I don't think the goal in a lip sync intended for humour is to be historically accurate. Probably just to be funny.