[Ammi]

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...oh I meant to say as well...not only that Xavier lives with his heinous murders of his family...but to send that letter to his friends to say they’d all been re-located as witness protection...and to think that he may have another wife and children right now...

[Niamh.]

I got bored half way through the Alien one, I'm not a fan of those type ones

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...they’re all heartbreaking but the last one because it’s not just that she could kill her daughter as well as killing her husband and making Lena an accomplice, it’s that she’s bringing up her daughters child...

She clearly has no remorse

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...oh I meant to say as well...not only that Xavier lives with his heinous murders of his family...but to send that letter to his friends to say they’d all been re-located as witness protection...and to think that he may have another wife and children right now...

Omg, I hadn’t even thought of that

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I got bored half way through the Alien one, I'm not a fan of those type ones

I thought it was really good

Did you see the bit where the guy said about him mum and gran swapping seats and nobody knowing how it happened?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...oh I meant to say as well...not only that Xavier lives with his heinous murders of his family...but to send that letter to his friends to say they’d all been re-located as witness protection...and to think that he may have another wife and children right now...

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That story is really awful, you know you hear stories of a mother or father, killing their kids and partner but they pretty much always commit suicide themselves (or attempt to) afterwards and you think they must have had a mental breakdown and convinced themselves that they all needed to die to be better off but still be together. Clearly this doesn't apply here, why did he not just leave them alone and **** off to live a now life? It's awful, truly barbaric and nonsensical

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

I thought it was really good

Did you see the bit where the guy said about him mum and gran swapping seats and nobody knowing how it happened?

Yeah but I just don't believe them

I will watch it to the end but it's a chore.

[MB.]

Is the third episode done well? I listened to a podcast on the case not too long ago, but if the episode is worth watching I'd be interested in revisiting it

(I've watched eps 1, 2 and 4 so far, and really hope the family in episode 4 get closure one day)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I got bored half way through the Alien one, I'm not a fan of those type ones

...I actually a little bit fell asleep through that one and didn’t bother to recap...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by MB.

Is the third episode done well? I listened to a podcast on the case not too long ago, but if the episode is worth watching I'd be interested in revisiting it

(I've watched eps 1, 2 and 4 so far, and really hope the family in episode 4 get closure one day)

Well it doesn't really shed any light on what happened, you probably would have gotten more information from your Podcast. That case was maddening more than anything, it seems like that one should have been solved but the Police didn't bother investigating it properly imo

Oh sorry I got the episodes mixed up. Ep 3 is the house of terror one

It is well done yeah, hopefully someone watching recognises that scumbag after watching the show

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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That story is really awful, you know you hear stories of a mother or father, killing their kids and partner but they pretty much always commit suicide themselves (or attempt to) afterwards and you think they must have had a mental breakdown and convinced themselves that they all needed to die to be better off but still be together. Clearly this doesn't apply here, why did he not just leave them alone and **** off to live a now life? It's awful, truly barbaric and nonsensical

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...I read (..because I always research stories like these as much as I’m able to...)..that he’d bought a silencer, which is why no gun shots were heard...I also wonder how there was no blood with 10 bullet wounds because when the police first went into the apartment, everything was as it should be...we know that they’d all been drugged with sleeping medication...so did he remove his sleeping family from their beds one by one and place them on a plastic sheet or something to fire two bullets through each head...?...and two bullets each to make sure of no survival...(..not that any would survive anyway when he buried ..)...he defines evil and he’s still alive and out there so far as we know and possibly having another family...

[Smithy]

What I found really really odd about the French one was

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the son which came home from uni on the second day, under the guise that his mum has been in an accident and was in a coma etc etc, didn’t insist on going to see her at the hospital straight away? And that he sat at home to have a drink with his dad? It just didn’t make sense to me

[Niamh.]

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Oh yeah I was thinking that too Smithy, but maybe the dad said that visiting hours was later or something or maybe he said yeah we'll go see her when your brother gets back from school or whatever, the reenactment was just a reenactment and not necessarily accurate to what happened

[Smithy]

I know, but I’d just find it odd, like if I got home and my mum was apparently in hospital and none of my siblings were around I’d want to go there straight away

[Ammi]

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...maybe Xavier drugged him with sleeping medication as soon as he came home...?..

[Ammi]

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...also there are only specific visiting hours in the hospital and sometimes they’re restricted, depending on how critical the condition..

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also there are only specific visiting hours in the hospital and sometimes they’re restricted, depending on how critical the condition..

But if it was restricted hours surely he’d have wondered where his brothers and sister were?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...maybe Xavier drugged him with sleeping medication as soon as he came home...?..

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Yeah that's what meant, he probably said we'll go see her in a few minutes, here have a drink, you must be thirsty after your journey or whatever

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

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Yeah that what meant, he probably said we'll go see her in a few minutes, here have a drink, you must be thirsty after your journey or whatever

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...apparently Thomas and his father ate out when he came home...I think that he gave him the drink with sleeping medication in and then took him out for a meal while the medication kicked in sufficiently..witnesses have said that Thomas looked very ill at the restaurant and they barely spoke...

[Ammi]

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...he took his wife and other 3 children for a meal and to a movie just before he killed them as well...so calm and duplicitous and with no emotion at all, a complete psychopath...and maybe that he’d already medicated them and this was the time needed for the medication to kick in to what he needed...

[Ammi]

...I need to work, actually...bloody unsolved mysteries and evil psychopaths....

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...he took his wife and other 3 children for a meal and to a movie just before he killed them as well...so calm and duplicitous and with no emotion at all, a complete psychopath...and maybe that he’d already medicated them and this was the time needed for the medication to kick in to what he needed...

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What a monster, jesus

[Ammi]

...I was thinking...

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...what if he killed his father as well and then discovered that there was no inheritance as he’d thought and as he’d needed for his debts...it may have been that he’d medicated him to his death with a sleeping drug...

[Niamh.]

Yeah that thought crossed my mind too Ammi.

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It seems like he was hoping that everyone would just believe his story that they were off in America being spies. Like all this was just so he could save face. That he would rather kill his whole family than become "disgraced" that people knew he was broke. Talk about weak and evil

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah that thought crossed my mind too Ammi.

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It seems like he was hoping that everyone would just believe his story that they were off in America being spies. Like all this was just so he could save face. That he would rather kill his whole family than become "disgraced" that people knew he was broke. Talk about weak and evil

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

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...also, why kill the two dogs as well...he could have taken them to a homing centre or something ...it’s like the whole plot became some kind of ritual killing that he took great satisfaction out of the planning and executing...

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Well I mean if you're willing to kill your wife and children, i don't think you're going to be too worried about killing your dogs as well tbf