[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

I seem to recall the whole world wanting to ‘CONTAIN’ the virus in China !!

Within weeks WE were shipping and flying home THOUSANDS of British nationals because THEY were scared !!!


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[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

As an island, this could have been dealt with better by shutting the borders early when we knew the virus was in Europe. Instead we were told to wash our hands. Hopefully, in future crises we will learn from this pandemic and err on the side of caution first....rather than waiting till its here and killing thousands

I agree completely with your point there.

I also believe anyone else, no matter the political make-up, would have done that as a starting point.

Just about all others were calling for a full lockdown even before the first was done.
The science were saying it was necessary early March.
It wasn't done until the end of March.

I also believe at the end of the first lockdown, any others responsible for and with the power to set up across the whole UK.
Would have brought us out that first lockdown more slowly than was done.
Without too the eat out for half price following same too.

Plus, the second lockdown would have been done weeks earlier too once evidence of a second wave appeared.

I'll leave the deceit and horrifically dangerous non supply of PPE, because it seems I say, too much on my personal losses and of others unnecessary deaths resulting from that.

Hindsight as I've said before was and is not a valid excuse for the procrastination done all through this.
We had FORESIGHT of what was happening in Italy and heading to use via Europe as well as other areas of the World too.

I didn't want to make a political jibe in this post, however I stress I'd be saying this no matter whoever was in power for the whole of the UK.
I don't believe anyone or any other make-up in government.
Would have done as badly as these in power have near all through now.
No way.

I also agree with the voices on here and off here, who think this should have been a National health issue, not just handled by the government.

Representatives of all Parties, all elected representatives, all bodies of science and health like a war cabinet of sorts to decide the ways forward in dealing with this from the outset.

[user104658]

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

[Vanessa]

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

The twats who ran away from London are spreading it everywhere

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

[Nicky91]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

I'm not panicking or scaremongering, it's the same Covid that's been with us for nearly a year, it just spreads more easily. Pointing out that it's already active across the globe and thus can't be contained in one place (because it is already in more than one place) isn't scare mongering, it's being realistic.

The German virologist you quoted yesterday was literally saying "Meh, it's almost certainly already here in Germany, but no need to worry too much".

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

I meant to passengers TS, not freight obviously.

[Alf]

A bit of Watson

Youtube video

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

It's already everywhere. It's literally in Australia. Remember when everyone thought they could limit the original spread in Feb/March and then were rudely informed "lol no you can't"? Same deal. Clutching at straws. Various strains are seeded across the entire planet and governments are still acting like it can be contained... the LESS infectious strain couldn't be contained... but yes of course it's logical that this more infectious strain can be. Farce.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

[Vanessa]

Ridiculous that they're isolating us.
When the new strain is not just in the UK

[bots]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

stop fearmongering


no reason for panic, what german scientists literally are saying

please stop talking nonsense Nicky

The variant has been around for months, it will be in every country in the world

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

please stop talking nonsense Nicky

The variant has been around for months, it will be in every country in the world

I agree.
It's normal for a virus to mutate.
This isn't exclusive of the UK.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

I got eye-rolled at last night for posing a few conspiracy theories about the convenient timing of a lot of these new revelations . e.g. one of mine is that they didn't "suddenly" get worried about this new strain - they've been tracking this strain since September - what ACTUALLY happened was, they realised that the 5 day restrictions-free-for-all was an absolute disaster waiting to happen but couldn't just say "actually we've decided it's maybe not a good idea so now we're saying no" and thus needed a "new threat" to justify backpedaling on Christmas, and to scare people into compliance .

This theory hinges on what revelations come about this new strain after the Christmas and New Year period. If they come out with "actually it's not that much worse than the original strain after all" in early January then I'll be pretty convinced that this is what happened.

It's "interesting" that there are specific figures being quoted about "how much more infectious it is" despite a low sample size and there being no lab-confirmed details.

Also "interesting" that virologists from other countries are verifying that the strain being talked about is real, but noting that pockets of that strain haven't resulted in huge case surges in those areas (or at least not yet).

SUS

I don't really believe in coincidental timing.

[user104658]

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

My brother reckons all this banning UK travel and harsher restrictions (which we're going to have announced tonight here) is all a ploy to make sure people comply and get vaccinated

Quite possibly...if countries were really serious about keeping it out they would be banning all inbound travel

[arista]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

BrexitaCovida


What Stinking mess TS.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree, I said the same in the corona thread, Macron is happy to keep French drivers UK side days before Christmas in a political move, nothing to do with health given they have been going backwards and forwards even when little was known about the virus ...he could organise testing on arrival in Calais if he really is that bothered

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I got eye-rolled at last night for posing a few conspiracy theories about the convenient timing of a lot of these new revelations . e.g. one of mine is that they didn't "suddenly" get worried about this new strain - they've been tracking this strain since September - what ACTUALLY happened was, they realised that the 5 day restrictions-free-for-all was an absolute disaster waiting to happen but couldn't just say "actually we've decided it's maybe not a good idea so now we're saying no" and thus needed a "new threat" to justify backpedaling on Christmas, and to scare people into compliance .

This theory hinges on what revelations come about this new strain after the Christmas and New Year period. If they come out with "actually it's not that much worse than the original strain after all" in early January then I'll be pretty convinced that this is what happened.

It's "interesting" that there are specific figures being quoted about "how much more infectious it is" despite a low sample size and there being no lab-confirmed details.

Also "interesting" that virologists from other countries are verifying that the strain being talked about is real, but noting that pockets of that strain haven't resulted in huge case surges in those areas (or at least not yet).

SUS

I don't really believe in coincidental timing.

Yeah, I mean it's not even that wild of a conspiracy theory really, is it? The timing is like you said very convenient hhhmmm

I'm not very comfortable with the UK being used as a scapegoat either tbh Brexit aside, we're in the middle of a crisis, people are suffering. A bit of honesty would be more appreciated instead of trying to blame people who aren't to blame and make us all afraid of each other and cause even more chaos and panic and limit food supplies

[thesheriff443]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

"As an island" - an over-populated island that is NOT by any stretch of the imagination self-sufficient - We couldn't survive closing the border on this side at the start of the pandemic any more than we can survive it being closed by others now.

Honestly, a painfully naive suggestion and what makes me genuinely concerned that people don't realise how much of a problem it is that we're seemingly being cut off right now.

Ban individual travel, by all means, but closing the borders is not feasible. 48 hours is going to be a disaster, the idea that we could do it for weeks or months? Mad.

As an intelligent person I can see your point about shutting the borders but I’m talking about the first shut down in March.

The first lock down slowed the infection rate and by closing the borders it would of slowed the infection rate more

The more you can reduce the spread in the beginning the infection will be lower down the line.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I mean it's not even that wild of a conspiracy theory really, is it? The timing is like you said very convenient hhhmmm

I'm not very comfortable with the UK being used as a scapegoat either tbh Brexit aside, we're in the middle of a crisis, people are suffering. A bit of honesty would be more appreciated instead of trying to blame people who aren't to blame and make us all afraid of each other and cause even more chaos and panic and limit food supplies

Exactly. Why are we being blamed for this when the new strain is in other countries as well?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...panic buying or stock piling lettuce and Brussel sprouts, really...?..the whole concept of stock piling/panic buying is so, so grim...if anything becomes in shortage then surely we should all be buying a little less of it is the only only thing that makes sense, so that there is more product for more people../...I mean that’s the only logic, surely...that’s something that we would and do apply through life to any shortage...a little for many as opposed to more for fewer and a ‘haves and have nots’, thing.../..not a great mindset, I feel...

No its Sainsburys hit hard lack of urgent delivery
held back Lorrys


M&S this morning
had loads of Fresh Quality Spanish Iceberg Lettuce

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I also am pretty much convinced that France's reaction at the border has more to do with Brexit than Covid. Not saying it isn't prompted by Covid - but it smacks of "Hmph well you don't want to be in the EU anyway so HA" and I think if Brexit had never happened, it's very, VERY unlikely that the same action would have been taken. I'm anti-Brexit ... but that is just ridiculously petty.

Agree with this completely

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

A bit of Watson

Youtube video

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

I forgot that dude even existed!

He's the reason people sarcastically say "eemagine moi shawck", right?

Yes! He's the fella with the "imagine my shock" catchphrase.