[GiRTh]

Alf, Biden won Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona - Called early by Fox news too - and West Virginia. The only swing state Trump won was Florida and that traditionally goes Republican anyway. Where are getting this stuff from?

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who is responsible for the riots all year long, the burning down of cities, the taking over cities.

What I'm asking is, who radicalised the left?

Are we not talking about how the election was stolen anymore?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Are we not talking about how the election was stolen anymore?

I thought we was talking about who's been radicalised by Twitter propaganda?

Who was radicalising the remoaners when they wouldn't accept the 2016 referendum result?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who is responsible for the riots all year long, the burning down of cities, the taking over cities.

What I'm asking is, who radicalised the left?

Tbf who's saying that the left doesn't have psychotic twats within their ranks?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Alf, Biden won Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona - Called early by Fox news too - and West Virginia. The only swing state Trump won was Florida and that traditionally goes Republican anyway. Where are getting this stuff from?

He didn't win any of them on election day. People went to bed with Trump winning them all, and woke up the next morning to find out he was losing them all.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I completely agree that blaming twitter is really bizarre, especially considering that FB exists as the platform of choice for the far right. There is also Parler - the far right twitter, but most importantly, what fox news and OANN have been smashing into Americans eyes and ears for years.

I don't know. Twitter, importantly, is TRUMP'S tool of choice and that's what has made it play an integral role. Yes the news channels and other news sources have spread his chaotic seed around but he sows them with tweets. The radio silence since his account was suspended is really illuminating.

Also on a secondary level - the nonsensical pro-Trump bot activity on Twitter during election day and the following day was unprecedented, I followed a lot of it first hand and I've never seen anything like it. Genuinely chilling glimpse at bona-fide misinformation warfare.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

He didn't win any of them on election day. People went to bed with Trump winning them all, and woke up the next morning to find out he was losing them all.

And?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Who is responsible for the riots all year long, the burning down of cities, the taking over cities.

What I'm asking is, who radicalised the left?

Also social media.

[Alf]

Was listening to Femi radicalising remoaners?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought we was talking about who's been radicalised by Twitter propaganda?

Who was radicalising the remoaners when they wouldn't accept the 2016 referendum result?

The result that was meant to be advisory and practically ended 50-50 was always gonna cause controversy.

The guy that loses by a landslide inciting violence and trying to destroy democracy is far worse than remainers moaning about a neck and neck Referendum.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Alf

I thought we was talking about who's been radicalised by Twitter propaganda?

Who was radicalising the remoaners when they wouldn't accept the 2016 referendum result?

Post that stuff in the EU referendum thread and I'll answer them for you.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

And?

Has that ever happened in US election history?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

He didn't win any of them on election day. People went to bed with Trump winning them all, and woke up the next morning to find out he was losing them all.

"I went to the footie last week and my team was winning 2-1 at half time and I was so pleased we had done so well and I left. When I got home I turned on the telly and they had LOST 2-3!! That is impossible! Why was the other team cheating so much smh."

[Alf]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Post that stuff in the EU referendum thread and I'll answer them for you.

Whatever your answer is, I can just say that you're in denial, and I think I win with that argument. I think that's how it works.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

Has that ever happened in US election history?

States have looked like they were going one way and then flipped towards the end, yes. As recently as Gore/Bush.

[The Slim Reaper]

The left is so radical and powerful that US has a centre right dem president, and tories have an 80 seat majority with a right wing labour leader talking more about being tough on crime than ending poverty. I'd love to see nothing more than an energised actual radical left fighting for justice but it doesn't exist.

[James]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

I completely agree that blaming twitter is really bizarre, especially considering that FB exists as the platform of choice for the far right. There is also Parler - the far right twitter, but most importantly, what fox news and OANN have been smashing into Americans eyes and ears for years.



Trump didn't win by much in 2016 against what the right keeps calling a historically bad candidate with EMAILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You keep repeating "orange man bad," so you know as well as anyone what the majority thinks of him, and that resulted in election defeat.

Twitter is the platform that Trump personally uses, and has his unfiltered views - unlike when a politician puts out a press release and a spokesperson will edit it.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

Has that ever happened in US election history?

As I recall in 2016, it was close then in about a three hour period Trump not only pulled ahead but won out right. IT happens all the time

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

As I recall in 2016, it was close then in about a three hour period Trump not only pulled ahead but won out right. IT happens all the time

I think you're gonna be proved wrong.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by James

Twitter is the platform that Trump personally uses, and has his unfiltered views - unlike when a politician puts out a press release and a spokesperson will edit it.

He's on all platforms, mostly fox news and twitter was the one platform the crazies don't actually like, because they get banned. I just think blaming twitter is an easy way out. I don't doubt it played a role, but only in conjunction with, and not exclusive of, the other platforms.

Do I think if twitter had never existed and all other media/social media did, what happened would have still happened? Yeah, absolutely.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Alf

I think you're gonna be proved wrong.

Ok if you say so but I doubt it.

Even the Eu referendum, Farage made what sounded a lot like a concession speech late in the day then changed his tune in the morning when we found out the result. This idea that because one candidate was ahead but didnt win means it was rigged is as flimsy as it gets.

[James]

Originally Posted by Alf

Trump increased his numbers in every single state from his 2016 results, except for the 5 or

6 six that were in question. Certain states are won were it's said that whoever wins that state, it will pretty much tell you who will win the election, Trump won those states.

He increased his vote count in every state (with the higher turnout), not just the ones that weren't questioned.

[bots]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

He's on all platforms, mostly fox news and twitter was the one platform the crazies don't actually like, because they get banned. I just think blaming twitter is an easy way out. I don't doubt it played a role, but only in conjunction with, and not exclusive of, the other platforms.

Do I think if twitter had never existed and all other media/social media did, what happened would have still happened? Yeah, absolutely.

twitter as a medium is much more immediate and focussed than phone in ramblings on a news channel. People have a chance to read it over and over. Twitter is a much more effective platform for radicalisation than tv will ever be

[Alf]

Social media is the people getting a voice and anything can happen. Mainstream media is a controlled narrative. Controlled by privliged people who want to keep their privlige in tact.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

twitter as a medium is much more immediate and focussed than phone in ramblings on a news channel. People have a chance to read it over and over. Twitter is a much more effective platform for radicalisation than tv will ever be

It really isn't. It's one of the worst platforms for any discussion because of it's very nature. FB is basically a right wing militia site, so it just shows a stunning lack of understanding.