[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge

...following on...

UK's Decision To Delay Second Covid Vaccine Dose 'Vindicated', Says WHO Envoy

The UK’s decision to delay giving a second vaccine dose has so far been ”vindicated”, the World Health Organisation’s (WHO) special envoy on Covid-19 has said.

David Nabarro said the vaccine rollout in the UK had been a “great lesson for the rest off the world”.

Certainly what’s happening with this virus is we are leaning all the time,” he told Sky News’ Sophy Ridge on Sunday programme. “Thank you British scientists.”

“Isn’t it wonderful it has turned out, as a result of the UK’s bravery frankly, that this extended interval seems to be associated with even greater protection.”

He added: “Yes I think the UK’s approach, so far, has been vindicated.”


...full article...

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/uk-covid-v...105457353.html

[Zizu]

Presumably the numbers of people getting their first and vital first jab will soon slow down considerably given we will soon have to start giving out millions of second jabs ?


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[Zizu]

I keep hearing radio adverts asking blokes to give Plasma but it’s not something I’ve heard mention in the daily briefings or in this thread !?!




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[Nicky91]

Netherlands: testing and vaccination centres reopening today again, but people should decide themselves if they want to come through the dangerous snowstorm (advice is to stay at home at a code orange)

[arista]

Originally Posted by Nicky91

Netherlands: testing and vaccination centres reopening today again, but people should decide themselves if they want to come through the dangerous snowstorm (advice is to stay at home at a code orange)

Snow should not stop it.
Your a flat nation.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I keep hearing radio adverts asking blokes to give Plasma but it’s not something I’ve heard mention in the daily briefings or in this thread !?!




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The plasma thing was something I thought might work very early on in this. Basically, give your antibodies to others via blood. I was told that was science fiction and couldn't possibly work. So to hear this now, makes me feel good tbh..

[Vicky.]

(Unless the plasma is for other reasons!)

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

The plasma thing was something I thought might work very early on in this. Basically, give your antibodies to others via blood. I was told that was science fiction and couldn't possibly work. So to hear this now, makes me feel good tbh..

I wonder why it’s never mentioned by the government.. the advert bleating says the plasma is needed to combat Covid19


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[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Zizu

I wonder why it’s never mentioned by the government.. the advert bleating says the plasma is needed to combat Covid19


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It used to be mentioned in the early days, think Matty Hanny has had his sleeve up for it

[Vanessa]

I'm pretty confident that we will have a great summer.
The vaccine will help to get some kind of normality back.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It used to be mentioned in the early days, think Matty Hanny has had his sleeve up for it

Is it an antibody thing? So preventative? Feel a bit dog with a bone now off being told I am talking in science fiction months back when theorizing if this would help, if it turns out thats actually whats going on...

Or is it, like it depletes plasma when attacking body so its a replace plasma for treatment thing?

I assume the focus seems to be on men giving plasma,. as women who have been pregnant, if they give blood and it goes to a man, it can be dangerous as ****? Or maybe, women give blood more, so they need men, or something..

Internet tells me ****e (searched plasma covid and was taken to a 'covid is a hoax' place for ****s sake). I prefer you as you seem well versed in it all!

I swear theres a virus on my laptop? Because I don seem to get the 'most hits' response anymore when searching, and instead get random crap half the time?! Malwarebytes says I am clear though..odd.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Is it an antibody thing? So preventative? Feel a bit dog with a bone now off being told I am talking in science fiction months back when theorizing if this would help, if it turns out thats actually whats going on...

Or is it, like it depletes plasma when attacking body so its a replace plasma for treatment thing?

I assume the focus seems to be on men giving plasma,. as women who have been pregnant, if they give blood and it goes to a man, it can be dangerous as ****? Or maybe, women give blood more, so they need men, or something..

Internet tells me ****e (searched plasma covid and was taken to a 'covid is a hoax' place for ****s sake). I prefer you as you seem well versed in it all!

I swear theres a virus on my laptop? Because I don seem to get the 'most hits' response anymore when searching, and instead get random crap half the time?! Malwarebytes says I am clear though..odd.

There were some trials using plasma at the early stages last year, but it reportedly had mixed results.

However, the concept has been refined, and there are drugs now available such as regeneron in the USA and there are equivalents now being made and trialed here. They are refined anti body cocktails basically, so the same principle as plasma, but with highly concentrated anti bodies that can fight covid. However, (and i think this is why plasma has limited use) The anti body treatment has to be given right at the start when covid symptoms have just developed. In those circumstances, it gives the body a boost to fight covid off before it can do so much damage. It is much less effective once covid has taken hold properly.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The WHO will reconsider the gap between first and second dose based on data that efficacy is increased with a bigger gap

David Nabarro WHO on Sophie Ridge

Just noticed this.

I read this as..effectiveness might be increased the longer it takes for the second dose? Is that right?

If so, thats a great thing surely? Though..a bit egg on face for the people who made them, who seemed to be saying the gap was important to be as long as in their trial? Though I guess, their point stands too, the efficacy will only be what they said, if the gaps are the same as in trials..basically? Efficacy (which I read as effectiveness?) being better for longer gaps is great news all round really, if it turs out to be true.

The sciencey stuff behind this proper fascinates me tbh. Have read so many papers and that, not understod much of it as its..science speak, but understood largely I think. This was more at the start of it all though, before I became massively fatigued by the word covid.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

There were some trials using plasma at the early stages last year, but it reportedly had mixed results.

However, the concept has been refined, and there are drugs now available such as regeneron in the USA and there are equivalents now being made and trialed here. They are refined anti body cocktails basically, so the same principle as plasma, but with highly concentrated anti bodies that can fight covid. However, (and i think this is why plasma has limited use) The anti body treatment has to be given right at the start when covid symptoms have just developed. In those circumstances, it gives the body a boost to fight covid off before it can do so much damage. It is much less effective once covid has taken hold properly.

regeneron

Wasnt that what people laughed at trump for using (with no medical proof, iirc)?!

Am sure I remember it from that..

My theory, as a non scientist, was, if you give people plasma with antibodies, before they even get covid, would that not be effectively a vaccine? I know t-cell response is whats important really, not antibodies, BUT, if the antibodies were introduced in someone who hasnt fought off covid, would their t cells maybe..respond and learn to recognise covid in the future? That was the exact thing I was told was science fiction.

The antibody thing fascinated me so much I got 2 antibody tests privately you know. The news was adamant, that antibodies only last 3 months. I got one 5 months after covid (first was 2 months or so after covid..positive), and apparently still had them. Either mine last longer than most, I got covid again and didnt know, or the superdrug tests are off. Was my conclusions from that! 160 quid down, felt silly being 'curious' when harder times hit like!

[Vicky.]

Kinda wish I could keep up with the sciencey side, without all the scaremongering crap in the media. But its hard I have found, to follow one without the other (I stopped when a bunch of the papers I read were from a 'omg plague or not?!' type angle..when it was clear by that point that it was NOT this massive scourge of humanity thing, even science is influenced by media, it appears sadly). The stuff I have learnt about virus behaviour, cross species diseases, biolabs ( ) and their..mistakes in the past..loads of stuff really that I would never have even thought about without this. I love finding something interesting to focus on like. Slight shame that this thing to focus on is killing so many like, but..its still interesting!

[bots]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

regeneron

Wasnt that what people laughed at trump for using (with no medical proof, iirc)?!

Am sure I remember it from that..

i think you are thinking of the anti malaria treatment that Trump was trying to get everyone to take Regeneron was given to trump by hospital staff when he caught covid and it probably saved his life

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i think you are thinking of the anti malaria treatment that Trump was trying to get everyone to take Regeneron was given to trump by hospital staff when he caught covid and it probably saved his life

Hmm maybe. I for some reason associate regeneron with trump and his miracle cures. Odd.

I found myself in an odd position..with the trump thing and covid. When he said, the way to get low covid stats, was to stop testing as much...I saw his logic? And said so. Ad got massively attacked by a load of people calling me a fascist and stuff! Was an odd experience for sure. I didnt say he was RIGHT in that being an answer..I simply sad his logic is sound, less tests done..less positive tests.

Seemed logical really. Like when we started mass testing, numbers shot up. More testing, will find more positive cases?!

The attacks made me totally rethink a lot of my 'debating styles' actually. I should have learnt from being on the 'bigot' side of the womens rights debate. And facing off with many 'lefties' due to that, being written off as a right wing bigot..when am probably more left wing than those arguing with me. But the Trump thing, I was unprepared for I have to say. I used to laugh at those who claimed that some would disagree with ANYTHING the orange one said, even if it made sense, and will attack anyone who agrees, even with sensible things. Thought it was bull. It..wasn't

Waffling again. Sorry. Post WAY too much when..socially lubricated, should I say..

[Amy Jade]

My step dad took my Nan because my mum was working and they offered him the jab on the spot because they had spares tonight

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

My step dad took my Nan because my mum was working and they offered him the jab on the spot because they had spares tonight

Thats good news, apparently they were just chucking the spares early on, so glad they are finding use for them

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Why's that Zizu?

He just appears to be completely inept whenever I see him on telly or hear him on the radio ...


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