[arista]

https://news.sky.com/story/sturgeon-...finds-12249817


[A Scottish parliamentary committee has
concluded that First Minister Nicola Sturgeon
misled parliament.

Sky News understands that Holyrood's
harassment committee has reached the
conclusion by a majority vote ahead of the
publication of its final report.]

She must resign.


Nicola Sturgeon misled committee
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotla...itics-56451170

[Smithy]

Wonder how many of the people that will demand she resigns didnt demand the same when boris/Matt Hancock/every other Tory going did the same

[hijaxers]

Originally Posted by arista

https://news.sky.com/story/sturgeon-...finds-12249817


[A Scottish parliamentary committee has
concluded that First Minister Nicola Sturgeon
misled parliament.

Sky News understands that Holyrood's
harassment committee has reached the
conclusion by a majority vote ahead of the
publication of its final report.]

She must resign.

Oh dear where's the sword ! Lies turn to Karma.

[MTVN]

Her position is now untenable

[bots]

it will go to a vote in parliament now. Many were waiting to hear the outcome of the inquiry before stating a position. It will be a close vote, she may yet survive it, but her reputation is in tatters and there is an election coming up

[Oliver_W]

A dishonest politician? Who has ever heard of such a thing

[arista]

[arista]

[Cherie]

The irony that Salmond could bring her down, I think she will survive albeit with a blotted copy book

[UserSince2005]

This bitch is so corrupt, cut her open and the caviar would explode out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Holyrood inquiry is due to publish its report next week, however last night a leaked version concluded she had committed a "potential breach" of the ministerial code but stopped short of saying she did so "knowingly" – the normal threshold for resignation.

DT

[AnnieK]

The middle of a pandemic is probably not the time for a new leader really. I think she will survive this but will not be there when elections come back around.

[joeysteele]

I think I'll wait for the official result of the inquiry and it's full wording.

This has been a tricky issue.
It was really bad that Salmond was accused of things he hadn't in law.

However, he I feel has acted really badly all through before and during the investigation into his charges.

I actually feel he put Nicola Sturgeon in a difficult position.
She was a far more loyal supporter to him when he was First Minister.
I always felt Salmond was a little untrustworthy.

I hope Nicola Sturgeon survives this.
She has taken the SNP to a stronger position than he ever had it.
Maybe that's his real gripe, that she'll succeed where he couldn't.

It's separate yes, however we have a Prime Minister who was found by 2 high courts, one in Scotland and England.
To have acted unlawfully in office.

We've had a Minister, found to have acted unlawfully with public money on contracting.

Neither have resigned or been pressed to.

So those calling for Nicola Sturgeon's downfall, in this high pressured period of this Salmond mess.
While accepting and dismissing those previous examples of the PM and Minister, is a bit rich in my view.

I hope whatever Nicola Sturgeon survives this onslaught, she is in my view, support her or not, a formidable leader.
In my view still, likely the best anywhere across the UK.
Whether National Westminster Parties or devolved Party leaders too.

I'll wait for the wording of the full results and conclusion of the inquiry.

However, if I was a member of the Scottish parliament or an MP anywhere.
I wouldn't be calling for her to go.

Plus this vote was only decided by 5 to 4.
Along party lines in the main then.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

The middle of a pandemic is probably not the time for a new leader really. I think she will survive this but will not be there when elections come back around.

Scottish Parliament elections are this May though.

[bots]

it's a political process, just like the trump impeachment, the difference here is that a 2/3rds majority is not required to obtain a "guilty" verdict. At the end of the day, its for voters to decide and that opportunity is coming around quickly

[user104658]

The whole thing is gross. Grubby pawing Salmond went to her when allegations came out against him and she potentially breached the ministerial code out of loyalty to him as her mentor, and he's later come back and used that in an attempt to erroneously clear his own tarnished name ("not proven guilty" does NOT mean "proven innocent") and bring her down.

All with the clamouring, blaring support of Scottish Nationalist gammons who never wanted Salmond replaced with Sturgeon, and Scottish Unionist gammons who want to use it to nip the independence movement in the bud, and English gammons who as far as I can tell are just bitter that Scotland exists as a separate entity in the first place.

A buffet.

[Ammi]

...can I ask a genuine question, it’s not a ‘whataboutery’, it is a genuine pondering...with the breach of ministerial code...?...surely that has to show consistency and when Priti Patel was found to have breached that, her position was still secured by Boris...and surely that’s setting a precedent...or leaving it open for any breaches to be meaningless and enquiries pointless...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

At the end of the day, its for voters to decide and that opportunity is coming around quickly

Not really, I don't see many "overall SNP" supporters voting differently even if they think she should go. The only viable alternative in most constituencies is Tory and the likelihood of someone who voted SNP in the last election flipping to Tory, in a Scottish election, is very low. If they're going to take any stand it would more likely be to not vote at all/spoil the ballot.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The whole thing is gross. Grubby pawing Salmond went to her when allegations came out against him and she potentially breached the ministerial code out of loyalty to him as her mentor, and he's later come back and used that in an attempt to erroneously clear his own tarnished name ("not proven guilty" does NOT mean "proven innocent") and bring her down.

All with the clamouring, blaring support of Scottish Nationalist gammons who never wanted Salmond replaced with Sturgeon, and Scottish Unionist gammons who want to use it to nip the independence movement in the bud, and English gammons who as far as I can tell are just bitter that Scotland exists as a separate entity in the first place.

A buffet.

...is it also because she has such determination for another Independence referendum...that high end political guns are now aimed firmly at her...?..

[Crimson Dynamo]

As far as i can see it will have zero effect on the SNP vote here, just something for the other minor parties to use as a stick. More of a political thing than something that will resonate with voters

How Nicola has handled the pandemic I think is what people will vote with come May

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...can I ask a genuine question, it’s not a ‘whataboutery’, it is a genuine pondering...with the breach of ministerial code...?...surely that had to show consistency and when Priti Patel was found to have breached that, her position was still secured by Boris...and surely that’s setting a precedent...or leaving it open for any breaches to be meaningless and enquiries pointless...

There are literally countless examples of Westminster politicians doing things quite openly and deliberately that are grounds for being removed ... at this point, I don't think anyone even expects anything to happen ... and the Westminster government has learned that there is basically zero fallout from just ignoring it.

I think part of the issue with Wee Nic is that she has always operated from a "we're better than this" platform, and if it sticks in people's minds that she's potentially just another dirty politician, that impacts her credibility when she calls out others (like Boris).

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

As far as i can see it will have zero effect on the SNP vote here, just something for the other minor parties to use as a stick. More of a political thing than something that will resonate with voters

How Nicola has handled the pandemic I think is what people will vote with come May

Indeed - most of the jeering and harsh criticism is coming from Unionists who have never and will never vote SNP. There is an element of SNP support that plumps for Salmond... but as above, not to the extent that they're realistically going to flip Tory just to get rid of Sturgeon. They want the SNP still in and Nic replaced... they don't want the SNP out.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...is it also because she has such determination for another Independence referendum...that high end political guns are now aimed firmly at her...?..

Absolutely Ammi.

I believe there's a genuine fear she could persuade and succeed enough at that.
So yes on anything at all, there are those political opponents who will fire all at her.

I hope they have and think they have underestimated her, as I said before she is formidable.

Why on earth should anyone be surprised to hear the Scottish Cons are calling for her to go already, they were before this vote.

Because they fear what she can achieve in a vote on independence indeed.
I don't think she should stand down myself and I hope she doesn't.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

There are literally countless examples of Westminster politicians doing things quite openly and deliberately that are grounds for being removed ... at this point, I don't think anyone even expects anything to happen ... and the Westminster government has learned that there is basically zero fallout from just ignoring it.

I think part of the issue with Wee Nic is that she has always operated from a "we're better than this" platform, and if it sticks in people's minds that she's potentially just another dirty politician, that impacts her credibility when she calls out others (like Boris).

...yeah, I totally get that as well and obviously I’m not going to defend or condone any ‘dirty’ but crikey, I would think that politics would be difficult not to get grubby with...it really doesn’t seem to be very much based on any integrity whatsoever, or very little that is visible...but yeah, no excusing...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...yeah, I totally get that as well and obviously I’m not going to defend or condone any ‘dirty’ but crikey, I would think that politics would be difficult not to get grubby with...it really doesn’t seem to be very much based on any integrity whatsoever, or very little that is visible...but yeah, no excusing...

Not just difficult, I imagine it's more or less impossible to get to the top of your political area without getting a LITTLE grubby. I'm not saying that's OK really, just the reality... if someone else is willing to bend the rules and you aren't, they're probably going to take your spot at the table. There are plenty of politicians who stay squeaky clean, I'm sure, but they're not in leadership positions .