[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

You forget He is the UK Leader
so he went out to thank them
25mins.


Just after 6PM
then he went back to his office

25 mins to thank them

[Crimson Dynamo]

1922 meeting

[bots]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

25 mins to thank them

if we are talking time measurements, time to scoff 3 G & T's and 4 sausage rolls is probably a more accurate measure

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1922 meeting

Yes ,but they need 54 MP's



Roger Gale MP sent his in
a year ago, it is still valid.

He is talking Live on Times radio.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

25 mins to thank them

Yes
29 of them spaced out

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1922 meeting

Is there actually?!

The backbenchers have been on the verge of revolt for a while (right?) and that's who makes the bulk of 1922...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is there actually?!

The backbenchers have been on the verge of revolt for a while (right?) and that's who makes the bulk of 1922...

No
they need 54 Letters sent in.

[bots]

there isn't the will to get rid of Boris yet, the apology was all he needed to do.

Whether he is still in position at the next GE is another thing entirely though

[Crimson Dynamo]

The next leak will be the tipping point

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

To you maybe.

Not from what people are e mailing and texting me with.
Who are NOT my Labour contacts either.

Most Cons are thankfully fairer than the ' Johnson hard-line cover up everything for Johnson ' Cons.

A staunch Labour voter suggesting that most Conservatives are fair minded .... mmmmmm


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[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The next leak will be the tipping point

Again, Bring it on Dom.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1922 meeting

They’ve been waiting a long time then ..


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[glib]

Originally Posted by arista

He went to that Work Event in his garden
thanked the staff
and after 25mins went back to his office

It was still in his garden and he knew it was taking place and broke rules
Whether he was there for 25 minutes or 250 minutes he’s just as responsible



This is probably the 3/4th time in the past month the conservatives have been exposed as flouting their own rules

I look back at the Sarah Everard case where said victim was deceived into thinking she had broken rules regarding covid

[arista]

Originally Posted by Zizu

They’ve been waiting a long time then ..

But they need 54 MP letters
to act.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

A staunch Labour voter suggesting that most Conservatives are fair minded .... mmmmmm


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I've said to you several times before.

I know in ALL parties there are the majority of people who are decent and fair minded.
I've also told you several times that MPs of ALL parties.
Do go into politics to hopefully change things for the better and for the right reasons.

I don't know what your possibly sarcastic reference may be.
However it's the Party system that stops most MPs from even just voting with their conscience.

Parliamentary procedure and other elements too.

They are all human.
Plus until I was 18 I was a Con supporter.
I voted Lib Dem to hopefully see a coalition in 2010.
So I can and DO see the good in all parties.
Even though now I've found my more social conscience home In and with Labour.
Although I'm sure I'll have many complaints and strong arguments at times in the party.

However when there's a leader who acts dictatorial and rides over others feelings.
Like when he threw out long standing and more moderate MPs from the party for daring to be against his plans in 2019.

Who then deceives and lies to parliament and the people.
Who was found to have acted unlawfully with power by the 2 highest courts of the UK.
Well such a man wouldn't get my admiration or support.

I don't and never have disliked the Conservative party, I DO dislike intensely all its done and stood for in its heartless policies towards the poorest, weakest, vulnerable, sick and disabled with the Lib Dems and alone since 2010.

I'd have had no similar dislike for the Thatcher or Major governments.
However I was only born in 1992.

You'd actually be possibly surprised if you ever bothered to find out, that many Conservative supporters and members admire too many in the Labour party.

I've canvassed in elections, niggling at Conservative canvassers who did the same with me.
Then we've all gone for coffee afterwards.

You'd be amazed how many Conservative and Labour supporters and members are friends and in some cases close friends.

You slate politicians as awful people.
That's not the case at all.
I know many and I believe most from ALL parties are decent people, unlike your view of politicians.

Most try their very best for little thanks.
It's policies I judge parties on, even my own party.

I detest the policies to the vulnerable,sick and disabled from this present government.
Which is why I slam it more.
Even moreso with this dangerously deceitful and compulsive liar the Cons have inflicted on the Nation as PM.

I hope that may again explain why this Labour member and voter can see good in other parties.
Including the Conservative party !!

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I've said to you several times before.

I know in ALL parties there are the majority of people who are decent and fair minded.
I've also told you several times that MPs of ALL parties.
Do go into politics to hopefully change things for the better and for the right reasons.

I don't know what your possibly sarcastic reference may be.
However it's the Party system that stops most MPs from even just voting with their conscience.

Parliamentary procedure and other elements too.

They are all human.
Plus until I was 18 I was a Con supporter.
I voted Lib Dem to hopefully see a coalition in 2010.
So I can and DO see the good in all parties.
Even though now I've found my more social conscience home In and with Labour.
Although I'm sure I'll have many complaints and strong arguments at times in the party.

However when there's a leader who acts dictatorial and rides over others feelings.
Like when he threw out long standing and more moderate MPs from the party for daring to be against his plans in 2019.

Who then deceives and lies to parliament and the people.
Who was found to have acted unlawfully with power by the 2 highest courts of the UK.
Well such a man wouldn't get my admiration or support.

I don't and never have disliked the Conservative party, I DO dislike intensely all its done and stood for in its heartless policies towards the poorest, weakest, vulnerable, sick and disabled with the Lib Dems and alone since 2010.

I'd have had no similar dislike for the Thatcher or Major governments.
However I was only born in 1992.

You'd actually be possibly surprised if you ever bothered to find out, that many Conservative supporters and members admire too many in the Labour party.

I've canvassed in elections, niggling at Conservative canvassers who did the same with me.
Then we've all gone for coffee afterwards.

You'd be amazed how many Conservative and Labour supporters and members are friends and in some cases close friends.

You slate politicians as awful people.
That's not the case at all.
I know many and I believe most from ALL parties are decent people, unlike your view of politicians.

Most try their very best for little thanks.
It's policies I judge parties on, even my own party.

I detest the policies to the vulnerable,sick and disabled from this present government.
Which is why I slam it more.
Even moreso with this dangerously deceitful and compulsive liar the Cons have inflicted on the Nation as PM.

I hope that may again explain why this Labour member and voter can see good in other parties.
Including the Conservative party !!

You make it sound like past Labour governments never did anything wrong or made any mistakes..

Politicians and political parties are all as corrupt and inept as each other ... always have been always will be imho


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[jet]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Starmer would have been in charge for the last 18 months or more ..... so I’ve no idea where you’re going with that idea ..

Anyways, my views have never changed.

I don’t have any political allegiance .. I don’t trust or like any of them ( Boris aside )

I’ve always said that I see something nice in Boris ... I just see him as a good hearted person .

I don’t like ANY other politicians ...

I just see Starmer as a very weak man and totally unsuitable to lead the country .

Corbyn was simply repulsive not least because of the type of people he used to associate with ( probably still does )


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I'm with you on this one, especially your view of the repulsive Corbyn. How anyone would even consider preferring someone in power who fraternised with terrorists who murdered hundreds of innocent men, woman and children is beyond belief.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Zizu

You make it sound like past Labour governments never did anything wrong or made any mistakes..

Politicians and political parties are all as corrupt and inept as each other ... always have been always will be imho


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It's just about a waste of my time responding to you.

Where on earth did I say past Labour governments didn't make any mistakes.
I dislike Blair only very slightly less than I dislike this PM.
I was ONLY 15 when Blair left parliament however.

I even stated, I'd be likely having battles in the Labour party as a member now.

However with your view as a general one that all politicians are corrupt.
There's no way I'll even make any more attempts to debate with you.

Just please however don't twist or add to my words to have them say what you want them to, when they clearly don't.

I know there's good and decent people as MPs and I'll stand by my words that it is the vast majority of them too from ALL Parties.

This PM however is no way one of the good and decent individuals, and in my opinion never has been as to his whole career in politics.
Not a chance will I ever think him so.

This issue and his joke of an apology is an insult to all who lost loved ones unnecessarily.
Who couldn't be with loved ones as they died, couldn't have church services, it had to be at graveside with ONLY 10 to 15 mourners permitted.

It may be usually good to say sorry, however sorry doesn't always make things right.
In my view that's definitely so in this case.

[MTVN]

Does anyone in the country or the Tory party really have the appetite for a leadership contest and all the instability of a new PM? There's enough going on right now without all that chaos

Accept the apology, ensure he knows he's in last chance saloon and move on if I'm a Tory MP imo

[arista]

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[arista]

[arista]

[joeysteele]

That Metro one is very appropriate.

Because he's ONLY said a kind of conditional sorry because he's been caught out.

He wouldn't be saying sorry at all if this hadn't been shown to have taken place.

That's why in my view, he should resign.
If he had a shred of decency he would.
However it's clear he hasn't a shred of decency.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That Metro one is very appropriate.

Because he's ONLY said a kind of conditional sorry because he's been caught out.

He wouldn't be saying sorry at all if this hadn't been shown to have taken place.

That's why in my view, he should resign.
If he had a shred of decency he would.
However it's clear he hasn't a shred of decency.

Given that you are a Labour voter ... on that basis why didn’t all the hundreds of Labour MPs resign after they were caught out thieving in the expenses scandal ??

Didn’t they all just give the money back and incredibly kept their jobs ... oh and no apologies as I recall ..


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