[Oliver_W]

https://dublinpride.ie/pride-2022/



The Pride flag looked ugly enough with the triangle addition going down the side, wtf is that meant to be?

[Alf]

Flag shaggers

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

Flag shaggers

Give or take a letter

[Swan]

I don't understand the connection between the two at all.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Swan

I don't understand the connection between the two at all.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Swan

I don't understand the connection between the two at all.

The television has told you that if you're in support of Ukraine (ignoring the Nazis elements of the country) then you good
Person, so everyone wants to show everyone else what a good person they really are by showing off the Ukraine flag at every opportunity.

There is no connection or logic behind the reason. It's just a vanity and ego project.

The talking heads in the television set have spoken. So let it be said, so let it be done

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Alf

everyone wants to show everyone else what a good person they really are by showing of the Ukraine flag at every opportunity.

There is no connection or logic behind the reason. It's just a vanity and ego project.

I largely agree with this to be fair. I think most of the people waving Ukraine flags around couldn't really care less about Ukraine.

#JusticeForJohnny

Oh wait wrong thread for that one ... ...

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Alf

The television has told you that if you're in support of Ukraine (ignoring the Nazis elements of the country) then you good
Person, so everyone wants to show everyone else what a good person they really are by showing off the Ukraine flag at every opportunity.

There is no connection or logic behind the reason. It's just a vanity and ego project.

The talking heads in the television set have spoken. So let it be said, so let it be done

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

(absurdly large pic)

Well yeah. Lumping all issues or causes into one flag is a bit insulting to all those involved.

Trans people were already included in the rainbow flag, why did they need a dedicated section?

What do "black and brown" people have to do with LGBT? I can't imagine as a whole they're thrilled about lumped in with the gays, especially as they're GENERALLY more anti-LGBT than white people, on average.

So why is it all in one flag.?

[user104658]

It’s all a bit … incongruent, really. Ukraine is an ex-soviet state and, current events aside, it’s obviously much more culturally similar to Russia than it is Western Europe. In other words - their record on LGBT issues is … not great. Politically/legally it’s been improving, mostly because of their desire to join the EU, but culturally they’re not particularly accepting of LGBT at all. The sad irony is that an awful lot of the Ukrainian people this has been supposedly made in support of, would be absolutely horrified to see their country’s flag merged with the pride flag.

Just an awful lot of cultural ignorance really. And it all becomes sort of meaningless once you start trying to cram everything into one banner. In a decades time, straight people will say “hey what about us?” And in the name of inclusion that’ll be added to the flag too and it’ll just be an everyone-flag.

[bots]

i think they should add solidarity with vegans, extinction rebellion, insulation and green energy and that should be all the causes adequately covered

[Alf]

They just love them Nazis.

Youtube video

[bots]

the majority of the forces fighting at that steel works were part of the far right fascist group and they were being hailed as heroes, so it's all a bit difficult

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

the majority of the forces fighting at that steel works were part of the far right fascist group and they were being hailed as heroes, so it's all a bit difficult

It’s hardly without precedent though, not massively different to the wests support of Islamic extremists in the Middle East when they were useful in removing institutions that the west wanted gone. And then, unsurprisingly, they were unable to (or more accurately didn’t even bother trying to) contain the spread of those groups in the chaos that followed.

If far right facism starts to take serious root in post-war Ukraine in 5 years time, the west will do the same shocked pikachu face that was feigned at the rise of Al Qaeda / ISIS etc.

[MTVN]

What do all the colours in the triangle represent?

[ThomasC]

The flag doesn't look great, but not really the point.

The point is one community is showing another community support. What the hell is wrong with that?

It's not a hard concept to grab at all in my opinion.

OK so Ukraine doesn't recognise same sex marriage and non binary gender is not recognised , conversion therapy is not banned and adoption is illegal. All extremely wrong! However, the country is at war and many people have lost their lives so regardless it might be nice to show support and this is what this flag does.

[Alf]

Originally Posted by MTVN

What do all the colours in the triangle represent?

Mayonnaise

[ThomasC]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Well yeah. Lumping all issues or causes into one flag is a bit insulting to all those involved.

Trans people were already included in the rainbow flag, why did they need a dedicated section?

What do "black and brown" people have to do with LGBT? I can't imagine as a whole they're thrilled about lumped in with the gays, especially as they're GENERALLY more anti-LGBT than white people, on average.

So why is it all in one flag.?

Maybe because trans people are even more discriminated against than gay people?

I think the correlation is groups that are discriminated against. I think anything that can be done to have a world less free of discrimination against LGBTQ or the colour of your skin

[user104658]

Originally Posted by ThomasC

The flag doesn't look great, but not really the point.

The point is one community is showing another community support. What the hell is wrong with that?

It's not a hard concept to grab at all in my opinion.

OK so Ukraine doesn't recognise same sex marriage and non binary gender is not recognised , conversion therapy is not banned and adoption is illegal. All extremely wrong! However, the country is at war and many people have lost their lives so regardless it might be nice to show support and this is what this flag does.

They didn’t add the Syrian or Iraqi flags when we were bombing them back to the Stone Age. I don’t think people showing support is a “problem” but when that support feels like empty populism I think it’s perfectly fair to comment on that. The show of support is not for the benefit of Ukrainian people… it’s to demonstrate that that person “is the sort of person who shows support for stuff” - or virtue signalling, for those inclined to use the buzz terms.

I’m not just talking about it being added to the LGBT flag, I’m talking about everyone who sticks a blue and yellow flag on their Twitter profile picture “because everyone else is doing it”.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

They didn’t add the Syrian or Iraqi flags when we were bombing them back to the Stone Age. I don’t think people showing support is a “problem” but when that support feels like empty populism I think it’s perfectly fair to comment on that. The show of support is not for the benefit of Ukrainian people… it’s to demonstrate that that person “is the sort of person who shows support for stuff” - or virtue signalling, for those inclined to use the buzz terms.

I’m not just talking about it being added to the LGBT flag, I’m talking about everyone who sticks a blue and yellow flag on their Twitter profile picture “because everyone else is doing it”.

Not sure Ireland had much to do with that tbf

They have accepted a lot of Ukrainian refugees though which is probably part of the reasoning for the show of support

[user104658]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Not sure Ireland had much to do with that tbf

They have accepted a lot of Ukrainian refugees though which is probably part of the reasoning for the show of support

I didn’t notice it was Ireland to be fair.

The rest of the point stands though - they weren’t adding Syrian or Iraqi flags OR accepting tonnes of refugees. That’s not to single out Ireland of course - the same is true of the whole of Europe. Visible support of Ukraine is “trendy”. That’s not to say that people SHOULDNT support civilian victims of war, wherever that war may be, of course they should, but… reasoning isn’t irrelevant.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Mayonnaise

Who's trying to make him eat a fake image?

[Alf]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Who's trying to make him eat a fake image?

Go on his twitter and ask him.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Alf

Go on his twitter and ask him.

He's lying and you fell for it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I didn’t notice it was Ireland to be fair.

The rest of the point stands though - they weren’t adding Syrian or Iraqi flags OR accepting tonnes of refugees. That’s not to single out Ireland of course - the same is true of the whole of Europe. Visible support of Ukraine is “trendy”. That’s not to say that people SHOULDNT support civilian victims of war, wherever that war may be, of course they should, but… reasoning isn’t irrelevant.

It is trendy but then it's not the only thing on this flag that's an attempt at that. Some things just grab the publics attention and the Ukraine war is one of those although over time people will become desensitised to it unfortunately as always happens and those flags on twitter handles will fade away. I'd say that's partly why there's not similar shows of support to the countries you mentioned - because the Middle East has been a hotbed of conflict for years and years

[UserSince2005]

As a gay Ukrainian trans black pansexual I do appreciate the effort but it doesn't represent my veganism