[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

So is calling lgbt people peadophiles

I don’t think this is about the man who rolled up at that *primary* school just being LGBT. It ain’t right, Glenn. You know it ain’t.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

Inexperienced??? , it's a bit more than that if it's true what they've been teaching the kids .

Exactly. I’m shook at the fact that anyone can defend teaching 11-year-olds about anal sex.

[Alf]

I'm not defending this by a long way but does anyone ever think the trans/drag people are being used here to push a bigger agenda that some people want normalising?

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Redway

I don’t think this is about the man who rolled up at that *primary* school just being LGBT. It ain’t right, Glenn. You know it ain’t.

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

[Glenn.]

And I’m not defending it. Just don’t think lumping peadophiles in with lgbt to try and justify someone’s homophobia is right

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Redway

Exactly. I’m shook at the fact that anyone can defend teaching 11-year-olds about anal sex.

The current state of things is really alarming & worrying. Anyone defending this or downplaying it..... should ask themselves if they'd be ok with someone else teaching kids graphic sex ?!?. I don't know why we're meant to accept it when it's Drag Queens. Plus they're not even qualified.

[GoldHeart]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

And I’m not defending it. Just don’t think lumping peadophiles in with lgbt to try and justify someone’s homophobia is right

If it was a woman or a straight man doing these 'lessons' ,I would still have the same reaction. It's sexualising & grooming, and it's pushing a disturbing agenda. " Anal sex " & "73 Genders" ... Seriously!?! .

[Alf]

Originally Posted by GoldHeart

If it was a woman or a straight man doing these 'lessons' ,I would still have the same reaction. It's sexualising & grooming, and it's pushing a disturbing agenda. " Anal sex " & "73 Genders" ... Seriously!?! .

If it was, it's more than likely they would be arrested, and rightly so.

So my suspicion is aimed more at the authorities that are showing a dereliction of duty than at these drag people.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Alf

I'm not defending this by a long way but does anyone ever think the trans/drag people are being used here to push a bigger agenda that some people want normalising?

Of course this is perverts and opportunists jumping on to the popularity of drag to access kids much the same as rapists, perverts and opportunists are jumping on the trans train and people are letting them for fear of being labelled homophobic, transphobic and terfs and having their careers ended and or lives ruined by such accusations

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

They could be Year 6 (primary school) or Year 7 (still really young). It’s a disgrace how anyone can defend teaching year 6/7 kids the ins and outs of anal.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Of course this is perverts and opportunists jumping on to the popularity of drag to access kids much the same as rapists, perverts and opportunists are jumping on the trans train and people are letting them for fear of being labelled homophobic, transphobic and terfs and having their careers ended and or lives ruined by such accusations

Yeah exactly. I don't think most people think gay men are paedophiles(im not denying that there are homophobic people who do though of course), most people think paedophiles are opportunists and will use the easiest and safest routes to gain access to children, just like they did within the Church, back then priests were untouchable and no one was allowed to complain for fear of repruscussions, that's pretty similar to what's going on now with the trans movement.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Redway

They could be Year 6 (primary school) or Year 7 (still really young). It’s a disgrace how anyone can defend teaching year 6/7 kids the ins and outs of anal.

11 would be primary school still here in Ireland, we don't have a middle school though

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly. I don't think most people think gay men are paedophiles(im not denying that there are homophobic people who do though of course), most people think paedophiles are opportunists and will use the easiest and safest routes to gain access to children, just like they did within the Church, back then priests were untouchable and no one was allowed to complain for fear of repruscussions, that's pretty similar to what's going on now with the trans movement.

It is exactly like that Niamh

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

11 would be primary school still here in Ireland, we don't have a middle school though

whatever way it is being dressed up these kids would have been in primary school this time last year

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Cherie

whatever way it is being dressed up these kids would have been in primary school this time last year

Yes the whole idea of such innocents being subjected to all this nonsense is simply abhorrent


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[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Tell parm that.

Also 11 isn’t primary school age. It’s middle school

Depends on the part of the country.

5-11 is Primary, 11-16 (or 18 counting Sixth Form) is Secondary. A lot of places don't have Lower-Middle-Upper/High.

[Liam-]

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

what a charming way to describe two female members of the forum but no surprises from you on that one


what is astonishing from you is that you are still clinging gamely to the believe that the trans movement has not been hijacked in some circumstance by perverts opportunists and rapists, the evidence is before your eyes but its still not happening in your book

[Crimson Dynamo]

“A lot of children are just too traumatised to even talk to their parents," Eliza
Cox, vice-chairman of Marown Commissioners, told Energy FM Isle of Man.

Parents at the school launched a petition calling for an “immediate
investigation into the alleged actions of teachers delivering the age-
inappropriate material to children”.

The petition, addressed to the school’s headteacher and signed by more than
500 people, stated: “We consider the attendance of a ‘drag queen’ in class
and alienating students clearly confused about the information discussed
during this session wholly inappropriate.

“How, who and why was this guest speaker permitted to discuss gender
issues to an inappropriate child audience by an inexperienced and untrained
adult?”

A teacher at the school was said to be so uncomfortable with the content of
the PSHE curriculum that they told pupils: “Please don’t listen to me."

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/school-su...ew-drag-queen/

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

It's not, it's actually quite accurate as parallels go. The vast majority of clergymen were sincere religious people who would never have directly harmed a child. The church was seen as being beyond question and to do so was blasphemy. Paedophiles and sex offenders abused that, alongside the access clergy had to children, to commit terrible crimes against children with impunity. Various other members of the church, who would never harm anyone themselves, nonetheless either turned a blind eye ("it doesn't happen/it's not happening") or made excuses and covered things up to protect the image of the church, and in order to "not give the secularists ammo" to use against religiosity.

And that's why it's the same. The important part is the first part - the vast majority of trans people are sincere and would not directly harm anyone. Yes there are those out there who genuinely would rather there be no trans people - but that's far from the majority of people. Most people know and understand that genuine trans people just getting on with their lives are not a risk to anyone.

HOWEVER, the aggressive pursuit of "quick, unquestionable" progression of rights has led us to a situation where there was a hard pseudo-religious dogma around "not questioning" when it comes to LGBTQ issues, to do so is seen as a form of "blasphemy" and people branded bigots in the same way those questioning the church were branded heretics. It's all but inevitable that when a "shield" like that is created, individuals acting in bad faith will abuse that level of protection to circumvent safeguarding measures and access victims, and to get away with their activities for a prolonged time under the ruse that anyone who notices "is just a bigot".

And then you have the "allies". The people who would never harm anyone themselves... but will turn a blind eye, claim it's not an issue, or outright brush clear examples under the carpet, again for the exact same reasons - to protect the image of all LGBT people, and to not "give ammo" to the genuine bigots.



It is exactly the same. Sociologically speaking, the current LGBTQ+/Trans Rights (and a lot of other progressive activism) has more in common with religiosity than anything else. There are rules, there's dogma, there's accepted terms and enforced language. Unbelievers are cast out. People who start questioning are to be immediately regarded with suspicion. That's all religion.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

Fair Points


But should a 11 year old boy and girl
learn about anal sex?


To me, they are too young

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Even trying to compare the trans rights movement to the horrific, historical, systematic abuse and cover ups of the church is actually just braindead

That's not exactly what I said though is it? I said that paedophiles are opportunists and will use any loopholes, access or protections they can to get access to children like the way they used the Church for that reason. I didn't say it was on the same scale. No need for the insults either Liam, I thought you were on the "be kind" side of history?

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Cherie

what a charming way to describe two female members of the forum but no surprises from you on that one


what is astonishing from you is that you are still clinging gamely to the believe that the trans movement has not been hijacked in some circumstance by perverts opportunists and rapists, the evidence is before your eyes but its still not happening in your book

You’re women so I can’t call your opinions and theories names? But it’s everybody else shielding themselves from scrutiny with their identity, got it

Where have I said that? There are opportunists in every group in the world, there always will be unfortunately, but there also aren’t hate movements against other groups to punish them for the wrong doings of those few people, the anti-trans movement hasn’t been about asking actual legitimate questions for a long time and everybody knows it, so let’s not get on this ‘hijacked movement’ nonsense

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Liam-

You’re women so I can’t call your opinions and theories names? But it’s everybody else shielding themselves from scrutiny with their identity, got it

Where have I said that? There are opportunists in every group in the world, there always will be unfortunately, but there also aren’t hate movements against other groups to punish them for the wrong doings of those few people, the anti-trans movement hasn’t been about asking actual legitimate questions for a long time and everybody knows it, so let’s not get on this ‘hijacked movement’ nonsense

There are, absolutely 100% This is why we have safe guarding to protect the more vulnerable in society. Safeguarding is good and should be preserved.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

There are, absolutely 100% This is why we have safe guarding to protect the more vulnerable in society. Safeguarding is good and should be preserved.

Yes, safeguarding is good, everybody agrees with that point, but safeguarding doesn’t mean restricting maligned groups rights and labelling an entire community as possible sexual deviants, ‘just to be safe’ the way the people you support and look up to are going, it’s going to cause damage far beyond just safeguarding for the general good of safety, it’s going to cause irreparable harm