[Cherie]

when was this law passed as it seems to have gone completely under the radar?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

when was this law passed as it seems to have gone completely under the radar?

It's like they're all following the same unwanted play book, they're trying to bring a similar law in here in Ireland too, so very clearly against the will of most Irish people.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Cherie

when was this law passed as it seems to have gone completely under the radar?

1st of April

I cant see it lasting at all

Its exactly why the SNP will be obliterated come the election

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

1st of April

I cant see it lasting at all

Its exactly why the SNP will be obliterated come the election

Right but when was it voted on by SMPs, or has it just been waved in with a magic wand

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's like they're all following the same unwanted play book, they're trying to bring a similar law in here in Ireland too, so very clearly against the will of most Irish people.

We laugh at North Korea but this is not far off, you can't criticise the government... what do you think of Simon Harris, I watched some of his press confernce yesterday seemed like same old, same old

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act was passed three years ago, but it has been delayed as the authorities prepare for what’s to come. It finally takes effect from 1 April.

The law doesn’t just apply to social media posts or newspaper articles. It covers anything said anywhere – even in your own home. Children will in theory be able to report their parents. Scots can inform on each other anonymously, through an expanded network of ‘third-party reporting centres’. The list of centres includes a striking number of university campuses, as well as a Glasgow sex shop and a North Berwick mushroom farm.

Scottish police are bracing for the new workload at a time when there is a general crisis in resources. Earlier this month, Police Scotland announced a new ‘proportional response’ strategy that in effect said they will not investigate what they regard as minor crimes: smashed home windows, for example, or thefts not captured on a security camera and which are therefore hard to solve. It is estimated that this change in approach will lead to 24,000 fewer investigations a year, saving 130,000 police man-hours.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...t-with-danger/

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We laugh at North Korea but this is not far off, you can't criticise the government... what do you think of Simon Harris, I watched some of his press confernce yesterday seemed like same old, same old

I don't like him at all but there all the same

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

The Hate Crime and Public Order (Scotland) Act was passed three years ago, but it has been delayed as the authorities prepare for what’s to come. It finally takes effect from 1 April.

The law doesn’t just apply to social media posts or newspaper articles. It covers anything said anywhere – even in your own home. Children will in theory be able to report their parents. Scots can inform on each other anonymously, through an expanded network of ‘third-party reporting centres’. The list of centres includes a striking number of university campuses, as well as a Glasgow sex shop and a North Berwick mushroom farm.

Scottish police are bracing for the new workload at a time when there is a general crisis in resources. Earlier this month, Police Scotland announced a new ‘proportional response’ strategy that in effect said they will not investigate what they regard as minor crimes: smashed home windows, for example, or thefts not captured on a security camera and which are therefore hard to solve. It is estimated that this change in approach will lead to 24,000 fewer investigations a year, saving 130,000 police man-hours.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...t-with-danger/

Sounds so scarily 1984-ish

[Crimson Dynamo]

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

This survey doesn't illustrate what you think it illustrates.

[user104658]

**** will I just briefly explain since I don't think you'll know what I'm talking about?

If most "misinformation experts" (either with some sort of qualification or self-declared) fall left-of-centre, then the strong implication is that most of the misinformation falls right of centre, as in a tribalised society people will be unwilling to call out information that roughly falls in line with their own leanings. As there's no meaningful barrier to being a "misinformation expert", if there was as much misinformation to BE called out left-of-centre, there would be a higher proportion of right-of-centre leaning "experts" calling it out.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

This survey doesn't illustrate what you think it illustrates.

“Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.”

— O'Brien (1984 by George Orwell)

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

“Whatever the Party holds to be the truth, is truth. It is impossible to see reality except by looking through the eyes of the Party.”

— O'Brien (1984 by George Orwell)

This would only apply if the ruling elites were suppressing one side of a debate creating a barrier to the counter-narrative and no one is stopping right-leaning individuals from becoming (or declaring themselves) "misinformation experts" and declaring left-leaning claims and concepts to be misinformation. There is institutionally nothing at all stopping right-leaning individuals from doing so, and in fact, plenty of high profile examples of just that. Just not as many, by number.

And the ruling elite is currently right leaning. So how could your quote possibly be relevant? Who (with power beyond mob rule) is suppressing any information coming from the right?

[Crimson Dynamo]

"We currently live in a culture where the punishment for challenging the
ideology is not prison but social censure. Women cannot say what they think at
work if they are in the arts, education, the public sector or much of the media.
Only recently, I was at an artsy do where one person after another sidled up to
say they agreed with me but they just don’t want to say so in public. This
means they continue to prop up a load of nonsense, which is construed by
paternalistic leaders as somehow popular, when it never is."

If any of this was, in the end, about making the lives of the tiny number of
trans people in the UK better I would support it. Instead, it just sharpens the
conflict between women’s rights and trans rights by not even acknowledging
“sex” at all. If this isn’t “stirring up hatred”, I don’t know what is.

It reminds me of what the brilliant Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie said of an
argument with an ex-student: “What matters is not goodness but the
appearance of goodness …We are now angels jostling to out-angel one
another.” No one expects politicians to be angels, we expect them to produce
sensible and workable laws.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/columnis...trans-self-id/

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Today Scotland
Bonkers New Law
comes in action.


OK Copper do you worse......................

[Crimson Dynamo]

[arista]

Elon Musk has stated Scotland
is failing in being free.

[arista]

Now JK Rolling
has challenged the Scottish Police to Arrest her


LBC News Headlines Live

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-attacker.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

Breaking News - Scotland

It’s being reported that Scotland citizens are now reporting the Scottish 1st Minister
@HumzaYousaf

in huge numbers to the Police.

They are claiming (rightly) that the speech below is categorised as ‘Hate Speech’

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status...900865945?s=20

[Beso]

He should be saying white Christian...or perhaps he should just **** off.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Breaking News - Scotland

It’s being reported that Scotland citizens are now reporting the Scottish 1st Minister
@HumzaYousaf

in huge numbers to the Police.

They are claiming (rightly) that the speech below is categorised as ‘Hate Speech’

https://x.com/BGatesIsaPyscho/status...900865945?s=20

The Scottish Police
will have to ignore them.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

The Scottish Police
will have to ignore them.

They should ignore all instances of "hate speech".

[arista]

[Furious protesters stage rally outside
Scottish Parliament in anger at SNP's
new hate crime laws - as JK Rowling dares
police to arrest her for calling trans women 'men']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...women-men.html


Feel The Force

[Crimson Dynamo]

One of the unfortunate things I’ve noticed today is people referring to the Hate Crime Act
as ‘the SNP Hate Crime Act’. It’s actually ‘the SNP-Labour-Green-Lib Dem Hate Crime Act’.
Those are the four parties that voted for the legislation. All four deserve credit for their
law.

Stephen Daisley of the Mail on X