[arista]

Last Week

[arista]

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by arista

Is that when Rishi was talking about Mickey Mouse Degrees?

[arista]

Former Conservative MP Julian Knight


Now standing as an independent


[A former Tory MP has announced that he will stand
against the party at the election in a fresh headache
for Rishi Sunak.

Julian Knight, who was suspended from the party
following a police investigation
into sexual assault allegation,
said he will run as an independent.]

6 mins ago

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

Is that when Rishi was talking about Mickey Mouse Degrees?

There's no way that wasn't done on purpose.

[The Slim Reaper]

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

[The Slim Reaper]

[joeysteele]

Mel Stride of the Cons must have a political season ticket.
He's been all over TV the last few days.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

As much as I don't like the Greens (not green enough) I don't much like any of them, and my local Green candidate is brilliant, she used to be our mayor.

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

That's terrifying. Why does it make him look like an old lady?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

Labour in absolutely no danger, so there is no need for false choices, and no need to hold our noses to vote for them to get the Tories out. Vote with your consciences

If that's anywhere close to accurate it's a pretty worrying picture... any government with next to no opposition is never going to be a great thing.

[user104658]

ANother thing I previously thought unimaginable: in theory, if the LibDems start to be seen as the largest opposition party, when people want Labour out we could feasibly see a LibDem Westminster government within (some of our) lifetimes. Wild. I wouldn't go as far as to say likely, but feasible.

[bots]

I still believe it will be a lot closer, it wouldn't surprise me if the public were trolling the polls. I don't have anything concrete to base it on, just a gut feeling. I remember back to the Tony Blair win when there was a sense of public optimism that was palpable for a Blair win. Everyone was uplifted. It doesn't feel anything like that this time

Even with the Boris win, there was the great will and optimism to "get brexit done". There isn't a sniff of a similar effect this time round

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

As much as I don't like the Greens (not green enough) I don't much like any of them, and my local Green candidate is brilliant, she used to be our mayor.




That's terrifying. Why does it make him look like an old lady?

People accuse the left of purity tests (and there is some truth in that tbh), but this is the biggest purity test of them all. You're a single issue voter, and you're holding out for a standard that is just impossible to match.

I will be voting Green because they're the only party with a vision for Britain that is progressive, and not a continuance of the race to the bottom nonsense being spouted by Boris Starmer.

[The Slim Reaper]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

ANother thing I previously thought unimaginable: in theory, if the LibDems start to be seen as the largest opposition party, when people want Labour out we could feasibly see a LibDem Westminster government within (some of our) lifetimes. Wild. I wouldn't go as far as to say likely, but feasible.

Tories have the backing of the media. They will lose 2 generals and then be back in power, but next time they will be completely full of Lee Andersons, Suella Bravermans, and Jonathon Gullis'. Starmers failure to tackle inequality over his 2 terms will put the country in a very dangerous place in 10 years time.

[joeysteele]

I can't see that result or the polls remaining at that level.

Then again Braverman did say if things stay as they are then the Cons would be lucky to have any seats in an election.
I still doubt a result like that in that polling though.

I've been out canvassing but not in a strong way.
However and this is no way scientific or likely a universal trend.
I was talking to 5 people in depth today.
In a street I know from past canvassing was usually solid Con.
3 were Sisters in the same house, then 2 others in said street.
All usually vote Conservative.
None will be this time.

The 3 Sisters are going Lib Dem., I of the others to Labour and the other not sure yet but not Conservative.
They've stopped listening to Sunak.
They don't like him and don't trust him.
They think Starmer boring.

However while not now voting Conservative, none of them care who gets in to government in this election as long as it's not Sunak and the Conservatives.

Their votes will be going not FOR the other Parties they will be voting for because they really like them but because they will be just solidly voting against Sunak and the Conservatives.

I found the discussion really interesting.
The 3 Sisters had voted for the Conservative party since 1979.
Now definitely will not be.

[bots]

i think people that don't want to vote tory and are reluctantly looking at lib dems and labour will end up not voting. I can see it being a low turn out, but i don't know who that favours

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper

You're a single issue voter, and you're holding out for a standard that is just impossible to match.

Fair point, as you say I can't see any of the parties actually meeting the standards I'm hoping for, so may as well vote for the least-bad. I didn't even realise Emily was running for our MP until yesterday. She's made me quite a bit less likely to just spoil my ballot.

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't see that result or the polls remaining at that level.

Don't forget the "Shy Tory Effect", which could affect more polls than that one.

[arista]

Chris Ward
is now going to be the new Labour MP
in Kemptown Brighton

As Lloyd Russell-Moyle MP
has been removed by Starmer.

Something he did or said 8 years ago.


Starmer saved that for Now
Sneaky.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5114q1x09eo

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Soldier Boy

If that's anywhere close to accurate it's a pretty worrying picture... any government with next to no opposition is never going to be a great thing.

I agree.

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[Labour leader Keir Starmer "seeks to win from the
centre ground",
promising to "create wealth", it says.]

[arista]

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I still believe it will be a lot closer, it wouldn't surprise me if the public were trolling the polls. I don't have anything concrete to base it on, just a gut feeling. I remember back to the Tony Blair win when there was a sense of public optimism that was palpable for a Blair win. Everyone was uplifted. It doesn't feel anything like that this time

Even with the Boris win, there was the great will and optimism to "get brexit done". There isn't a sniff of a similar effect this time round

The only thing that you're not taking into account is just how much the public despise Sunak.

In particular the fact that the general public nor the Tory voters wanted him as their leader, but was installed as the countries leader against most people's wishes, really hasn't helped his popularity.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

The only thing that you're not taking into account is just how much the public despise Sunak.

In particular the fact that the general public nor the Tory voters wanted him as their leader, but was installed as the countries leader against most people's wishes, really hasn't helped his popularity.

that doesn't create a landslide win, most tories don't care about that

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

that doesn't create a landslide win, most tories don't care about that

My point being that if the neutral voters in general despise Sunak (like it appears to be) then even Starmer will gain a lot of extra votes.

It's like how Biden beat Trump at the last US Election, Biden himself didn't really have a big support base, it was just that the majority of the American public hated Trump that much.

And tbh it doesn't look good for Sunak, there's no momentum going his way, and every time that he speaks he sounds desperate.

[bots]

we will see, when there is a tiny tory majority, i will be there saying i told you so

It really depends how the final week goes