[arista]

Originally Posted by Livia

Trans women banned by the FA from the women's game from 1st May. Finally, common sense prevails.

On SkyNewsHD they said it comes in on June 1st


It's on their ticker


They are only following the Judge.

So it had to be done

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This is a good article

https://www.theguardian.com/society/...A8rxPFvTVH6JhA

Stonewall’s policy of ‘no debate’ on trans rights was a mistake

That's what I've been saying for years and one of the most frustrating parts of the whole debate - so often met with people saying "but there's not evidence that..." when there has been a clear, hard-line and often very aggressive long campaign to stop any research or study being done that would yield evidence either way.

I've even always said my stance on the whole thing could change IF anyone could provide robust evidence for why decisions were being made that seemed accurate and reasonable ... but it's impossible to get to the truth when you have people attacking anyone who dares to look for it.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

That's what I've been saying for years and one of the most frustrating parts of the whole debate - so often met with people saying "but there's not evidence that..." when there has been a clear, hard-line and often very aggressive long campaign to stop any research or study being done that would yield evidence either way.

I've even always said my stance on the whole thing could change IF anyone could provide robust evidence for why decisions were being made that seemed accurate and reasonable ... but it's impossible to get to the truth when you have people attacking anyone who dares to look for it.

Yep. It seems like a lot of common sense was ignored and peoples concerns were dismissed as "phobic" It isn't a good strategy to just shut people down by trying to shame or threaten them, that will only work for so long before people say no

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yep. It seems like a lot of common sense was ignored and peoples concerns were dismissed as "phobic" It isn't a good strategy to just shut people down by trying to shame or threaten them, that will only work for so long before people say no

Yes plus a culture of "any request for compromise = bad and the enemy" and the inevitable outcome of that was not a successful forcing of no compromise... it was an increasing tendency for people to not bother trying to find one.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Quantum Boy

Yes plus a culture of "any request for compromise = bad and the enemy" and the inevitable outcome of that was not a successful forcing of no compromise... it was an increasing tendency for people to not bother trying to find one.

Not to mention the gas-lighting which there was A LOT of

[Cherie]

Labour has postponed its women’s conference because of the risk of protests and legal challenge following the Supreme Court ruling on gender.

The party’s ruling National Executive Committee (NEC) voted on Tuesday to postpone the event, which was due to take place in September, pending a review.

A leaked advice paper had recommended postponing it because the “only legally defensible alternative” would be to restrict attendance to biological women.

The NEC also decided to extend the terms of those serving on the National Labour Women’s Committee until a conference takes place and elections can be held.

A Labour Party spokesperson said the party must make sure all its procedures “comply with the Supreme Court’s clear ruling” and that it would make any changes required with “sensitivity and care”

The Supreme Court ruled in April that the terms “woman” and “sex” in the 2010 Equality Act “refer to a biological woman and biological sex”.

The party will interpret measures relating to women on the basis of biological sex at birth, it is understood.

Labour had previously operated its “positive action” measures on the basis of self-identification, allowing transgender women to take part.

A leaked advice paper produced for the NEC meeting recommended postponing the women’s conference on September 27 because “there is a significant risk of legal challenge to the event as it currently operates” and “there may be protests, direct action and heightened security risks” if it goes ahead.

That could carry a “political risk” of overshadowing the party’s showcase autumn conference which begins the following day.

The recommendation in the paper was to postpone the women’s conference pending a wider review of positive action measures.

The paper also says the party should issue guidance to make clear that all-women shortlists can only apply to “applicants who were biologically female at birth”.

Labour did not use all-women shortlists at the last general election.

A Labour Party spokesperson said: “Like all other organisations, the Labour Party must ensure all party procedures comply with the Supreme Court’s clear ruling.


“Labour is clear that everyone in our society deserves to be treated with dignity and respect.

“The party will work closely with individuals and local parties to implement the necessary changes with sensitivity and care.”

It is understood Labour will respect the Supreme Court judgment and comply with statutory guidance when it is published.


The Independent



Just cancel the conference, its just wimmin innit

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Zizu

Interesting

Wasn’t Chelsea’s star striker a bloke ?

I saw her/him/them racing through the opposition defence a few weeks ago with players bouncing off her /him left , right and centre backs !

They looked around 6’ and walked like a docker

Apparently in the UK there are 30 Transwomen that play in the women's Football pyramid, and they're all amateur players.

So I don't think that Chelsea player is Transgender.

[arista]

In todays Daily Telegraph.


[Shops and leisure centres can question
transgender people about their
biological sex before letting them
use changing rooms, the equalities
watchdog has said.
Those who appear to be lying can legally
be refused entry as long as they are not
asked in a rude or offensive manner,
according to updated guidance from
the Equality and
Human Rights Commission (EHRC).

Gyms and hospitals could legally ask
people to provide birth certificates
or passports to prove their biological sex.

The watchdog said trans people could
legally be shut out of anywhere where
women were likely to be in a state of undress.

Last month a Cabinet minister insisted
there would be no “toilet police”
stopping trans women from using
women’s lavatories.

Pat McFadden, the Cabinet Office minister,
said the “logical consequence”
of the Supreme Court ruling was that
everyone should use the facilities
of their biological gender.]


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics...hanging-rooms/

[Kate!]

Good

[Cherie]

It is the law Arista

[Livia]

What's the problem?

[Glenn.]

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

So long as they don't have a cock I'd be fine with them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Livia

So long as they don't have a cock I'd be fine with them.

They are more than welcome, don't hear much from trans men at any rate, its all about the transwomen...

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Can’t wait for trans men to cause a stir in the their ‘biological’ toilet.

You mean a woman in a womans toilet.

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Beso

You mean a woman in a womans toilet.

But with beards

[Liam-]

Even more butch lesbians being harassed by workers for not being feminine enough for their standards of women

[Cherie]

I have to laugh, suddenly they care about lesbians, though they had no issue with lesbians being called transphobes if they didn't fancy having it off with a transwoman...dear me

[Cherie]

Does every transman have a beard

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Does every transman have a beard

No but a LOT will

[Glenn.]

The hilarity of “does every trans man” though when trans women are all tarred with the same brush as a few wrong’uns

I’ll never understand heteros

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But with beards

At least they will feel more comfortable doing a sit down pee, and a little less embarrassed.

[Glenn.]

That’s after they get a pass from the weirdo genital police at the door.

[Vicky.]

Asking for birth certificate or passport is pointless for many as these get changed when you get a GRC.

The transman point.. the supreme court covered that in their guidance, if a female has taken steps to look sufficiently masculine they can be banned from female areas.

I can't seem transmen kicking up a fuss though tbh. They grew up female, they know how female people think..they won't want to potentially scare people, I imagine passing transmen will continue using male areas

Interesting that suddenly we are hearing about transmen though. Usually they are totally forgotten

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

But with beards

I mean.. a beard doesn't make someone a man so that would be fine to me. It'd be like washing my hands next to a woman with crazy overgrown armpit hair. It stands out but not offensive or anything.

They're still women technically so they're socialized as such. For women, socialization is much more key and we rely on that to adapt on average than men. I knew a transman from high school who was a bestie and they still at heart had female thinking and boundaries well ingrained... it's not like they lost that? A man looking to cause trouble doesn't know good behavior and will openly try to dominate as such. Sorry, I have history with harassment to that level like so many women, so know what men are more willing to do in private and they're not wallflowers as such as they get something out of intimidating targets. There is a reason to have a visceral reaction to the relaxing of the boundary that allows biomen into those space, but transmen are not even a thought for me. In fact, I think they would more understand the differences in that make this a crossing of lines for many women.

The level of threat and insidious need to dominate that one can experience from a man is not based on appearance or other hidden differences but rather behavior that is biologically ingrained to be predatory that no hormone pill or surgery can hope to remove if it is there.

I have yet to see any biological woman (trans or not) try to emulate these deeply ingrained male instincts. Not only is that not socially desirable but women by their nature tend to be highly socialized. I don't think you really can emulate strongly adapted biological instincts to that deep of a level and that is a very big one to try... it certainly couldn't be pilled in. And it's those characteristics that we don't want anywhere near any aspect of private female social life.