[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

[Oliver_W]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Interesting, I swear I hear time and time again people were okay with refugees, and it was the economic migrants that was the problem.

People seeking refuge from ... France?

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

It’s madness isn’t it


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[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

No, from war torn countries.

If you're against people seeking refuge in the UK, then that's your opinion.

I understand the issue surrounding economic migrants and while I think the topic is over-discussed (considering those coming over on boats make up a small percentage of our migrants each year) and is spoken about divisively, that doesn't mean I don't think there needs to be something done to stop/limit, it for the benefit and safety of everyone, including those who aren't seeking refuge who are making crossings.

However, in terms of Refugees? I just am surprised to see it so brazenly marked on a symbol inciting hate. Usually those who are against immigrants insist it's *just* the economic migrants they are against, not those seeking refuge.

I wonder how the Ukrainian refugees feel about such messaging. And the many thousand from HK who have come to the UK to escape the political unease in their homeland.

Also, would love to know how much the people who erected this actually care about Veterans. It's kind of giving... performative.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by BBXX

No, from war torn countries.

If you're against people seeking refuge in the UK, then that's your opinion.

I understand the issue surrounding economic migrants and while I think the topic is over-discussed (considering those coming over on boats make up a small percentage of our migrants each year) and is spoken about divisively, that doesn't mean I don't think there needs to be something done to stop/limit, it for the benefit and safety of everyone, including those who aren't seeking refuge who are making crossings.

However, in terms of Refugees? I just am surprised to see it so brazenly marked on a symbol inciting hate. Usually those who are against immigrants insist it's *just* the economic migrants they are against, not those seeking refuge.

I wonder how the Ukrainian refugees feel about such messaging. And the many thousand from HK who have come to the UK to escape the political unease in their homeland.

Also, would love to know how much the people who erected this actually care about Veterans. It's kind of giving... performative.

This is not a one off, bonfires are lit every 11th July as part of the Marching Season by protestants in the North, I imagine they care alot about veterans given the British Army did many tours there in the 70s and 80s

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Oliver_W

People seeking refuge from ... France?

I know... Then people compare them to Ukrainians because they're white and they want to imply we're racist... But Ukrainians actually fled a war torn country.

[Ammi]

…I’m reading that this is being investigated by the authorities in terms of a possible hate incident so that’s progressing atm…it feels deliberately provocative and inciteful to choose those effigies when only recently, migrant homes were attacked nearby in that same area…

[arista]

[No, from war torn countries.]

Yes BBXX

And also general illegal migrants
Looking for a better life in soft UK


It is never one nation
In a packed small boat

[BBXX]

I used Ukraine because they are refugees and the bonfire states refugees.

[Beso]

The boats are full of tattooed idiots, or non practicing Muslims as I prefer to call them.Basically the UK, is the dumping ground for countries expelling thier non practicing Muslims. Like people with tatoos. They come here because they believe in our way of life. Even the ones fleeing persecution for not following islam are bad mouthing the criminal element amongst them in the hotels up and down the country. In fighting will come before any attacks by British citizens.

[Crimson Dynamo]

amazing scenes last night across Belfast


https://x.com/GM1872_/status/1943921597632348183

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

…I’m reading that this is being investigated by the authorities in terms of a possible hate incident so that’s progressing atm…it feels deliberately provocative and inciteful to choose those effigies when only recently, migrant homes were attacked nearby in that same area…

That's good to read it's being investigated.
Sadly we live in a time where migrants are now made more the scapegoats of what's wrong in this Country.
That's what seems to amuse some anti migrant individuals unfortunately.

Personally, even as a child, I never even saw the point of symbols of Guy Fawkes being put on a fire.
I thought it pointless and a celebration of barbarism as I got older.
Never liked it or enjoyed it.

I'd never support something like this, nor would want to actually.
Not with the nutcases there are in the World today, who if something like this lights a spark of an idea of their own prejudice, they may act on it.

Pointless divisive madness and thinking, from only more likely sick and prejudiced minds in my view.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

That's good to read it's being investigated.
Sadly we live in a time where migrants are now made more the scapegoats of what's wrong in this Country.
That's what seems to amuse some anti migrant individuals unfortunately.

Personally, even as a child, I never even saw the point of symbols of Guy Fawkes being put on a fire.
I thought it pointless and a celebration of barbarism as I got older.
Never liked it or enjoyed it.

I'd never support something like this, nor would want to actually.
Not with the nutcases there are in the World today, who if something like this lights a spark of an idea of their own prejudice, they may act on it.

Pointless divisive madness and thinking, from only more likely sick and prejudiced minds in my view.

Excellent post.

Burning effigies of anyone just seems needlessly divisive and extreme symbolism really.

The people in power - the rich - have convinced a whole bunch of people that Migrants are the root of their problems. It’s the fault of migrants they can’t get jobs, it’s the fault of migrants the country is broke, it’s the fault of migrants that crime is increasing.

Migrants are used as a distraction to point the finger of blame in another direction to the general public don’t blame the government for setting up a system that has broken and one that only ever favours the richest in society.

Unfortunately, many people have fallen for it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It does make you wonder where some people get the idea from...

Spoiler:

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Excellent post.

Burning effigies of anyone just seems needlessly divisive and extreme symbolism really.

The people in power - the rich - have convinced a whole bunch of people that Migrants are the root of their problems. It’s the fault of migrants they can’t get jobs, it’s the fault of migrants the country is broke, it’s the fault of migrants that crime is increasing.

Migrants are used as a distraction to point the finger of blame in another direction to the general public don’t blame the government for setting up a system that has broken and one that only ever favours the richest in society.

Unfortunately, many people have fallen for it.

There's always scapegoats unfortunately.

I remember David Cameron made people on benefits his scapegoats, and May and Boris both went for the EU/Brexit stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

There's always scapegoats unfortunately.

I remember David Cameron made people on benefits his scapegoats, and May and Boris both went for the EU/Brexit stuff.

Israel of course

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Israel of course

When have Israel been made a scapegoat for incompetent leadership in the UK?

I mean it wouldn't shock me if Starmer has said something like that, but I honestly have never heard him say anything like that.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

It does make you wonder where some people get the idea from...

Spoiler:

Those are also bad, do we agree?

[bots]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Excellent post.

Burning effigies of anyone just seems needlessly divisive and extreme symbolism really.

The people in power - the rich - have convinced a whole bunch of people that Migrants are the root of their problems. It’s the fault of migrants they can’t get jobs, it’s the fault of migrants the country is broke, it’s the fault of migrants that crime is increasing.

Migrants are used as a distraction to point the finger of blame in another direction to the general public don’t blame the government for setting up a system that has broken and one that only ever favours the richest in society.

Unfortunately, many people have fallen for it.

Due to social media, everyone has figured out that you get maximum reader engagement by making them angry, so now all stories these days are designed to make the reader angry and it gets automatically fed to them in their news feeds. There is no balance anymore, people are fed stuff constantly and are being controlled and basically told what to be angry about.

That's why politics has gone to ****, thats why everything has gone to ****.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Those are also bad, do we agree?

Protests?

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

Protests?

Burning effigies. Sorry I thought your examples were trying to make that point, my mistake if not.

I am all for protests but personally I don't like burning flags/effigies/symbols, particularly when aimed at those most vulnerable in society. I just hate the imagery and extreme hatred it exudes.

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by bots

Due to social media, everyone has figured out that you get maximum reader engagement by making them angry, so now all stories these days are designed to make the reader angry and it gets automatically fed to them in their news feeds. There is no balance anymore, people are fed stuff constantly and are being controlled and basically told what to be angry about.

That's why politics has gone to ****, thats why everything has gone to ****.

Indeed. Headlines designed to enrage to be posted on social media and forums without reading the context of the article or doing further research. Happens allll the time.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by BBXX

Burning effigies. Sorry I thought your examples were trying to make that point, my mistake if not.

I am all for protests but personally I don't like burning flags/effigies/symbols, particularly when aimed at those most vulnerable in society. I just hate the imagery and extreme hatred it exudes.

There is nothing vulnerable about economic illegal migrants in the UK brought here by criminal gangs to milk our taxes and leftists tendency for suicidal empathy.

I fear you have missed the symbolism, nor understood why the bonfires are lit

[BBXX]

Originally Posted by Crimson Dynamo

There is nothing vulnerable about economic illegal migrants in the UK brought here by criminal gangs to milk our taxes and leftists tendency for suicidal empathy.

I fear you have missed the symbolism, nor understood why the bonfires are lit

As already remarked, the bonfire in question was pointing out Refugees - indeed they are very vulnerable.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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