[Livia]

Originally Posted by Zizu

The truth hurts sadly ,.. he’s a known womaniser and if anyone denies that then they are clearly delusional ..

Whilst adding notches to his bed head he was famously chasing /pestering the 3 Degrees singer Sheila Ferguson for many years

I'm denying it, are you calling me delusional! Ha! That's rich...

You are a swallower and a peddler of gossip, like a bloody old woman. It's nonsense...

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Livia

I'm denying it, are you calling me delusional! Ha! That's rich...

You are a swallower and a peddler of gossip, like a bloody old woman. It's nonsense...

I think Zizu’s definition of delusional is someone who says anything he doesn’t want to hear. I’m really trying not to disparage much or be any harsher than I need to but I just don’t see the value in this Camilla-vendetta he has. None of it makes sense or seems to really mean anything tangible. It’s all based on Internet-gossip. It’s pretty frustrating when people talk as-if they know any of these people personally.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

I think Charles once said he liked the 3 Degrees singer but it was nothing ever more than that as I recall

[bots]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

I think Charles once said he liked the 3 Degrees singer but it was nothing ever more than that as I recall

He also liked Shirley Bassey as I recall

[emseateng2014]

i wonder if more brits watched the jimmy kimmel verison

[Ray.]

Almost certainly not

[arista]

Originally Posted by emseateng2014

i wonder if more brits watched the jimmy kimmel verison

I recorded it on Ch4

Not very good.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Christmas Dynasnow

I think Charles once said he liked the 3 Degrees singer but it was nothing ever more than that as I recall

Slightly more than you recall ..


Miss Ferguson says she will soon disclose the secrets of their relationship in her autobiography – although admits she has not started writing it.

She has always made clear that there was no romantic involvement, although Charles, who had met the band before, invited the Three Degrees to perform at his 30th birthday party in November 1978 – and is said to have been so besotted with Miss Ferguson that he made amorous advances for years and years



Sheila Ferguson and Prince Charles (now King Charles III) had a flirtatious friendship starting after her group performed at his 30th birthday in 1978, involving witty banter, shared dancing, and exchanging letters, though she insists they never slept together, viewing him as a playboy and valuing herself too much to be a "notch on his bedpost," a relationship that created media buzz and reportedly complicated her dating life later

Correspondence: They exchanged letters, which Ferguson has kept but won't publish, alluding to his flirtatious style


She was the Seventies soul star who captivated the heir to the throne. Now Three Degrees singer Sheila Ferguson is finally ready to reveal the truth about her enduring friendship with Prince Charles.

[bots]

well she hasn't revealed anything in 40 years and she is certainly in a position to do so if there was any wrong doing

[Livia]

Zizu and his nonsense back on ignore, I'm afraid.

[Zizu]

Are you guys seriously doubting that Charles was a womaniser ??


There’s no hope …


He’s basically known for two things .. womanising and talking to his plants


Charles and Camilla deserve each other

https://www.latintimes.com/how-charl...elative-442607

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[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Livia

Zizu and his nonsense back on ignore, I'm afraid.

Sometimes it’s necessary for one’s sanity. Zizu can’t change, no-matter how much you try and be less frustrated with him, or not. His mind’s set, for better or worse, and there’s no convincing him otherwise. It’s all black-and-white to him, with no room for relational nuance or flexibility.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I thought it was a good speech. It was one he had to make considering all his options, but genuinely I didn't hear anything that was insulting in the message. Parts of it felt like propaganda as if it were an ad for the monarchy but I didn't think there was a connection being made to general politics. Look at all the stuff we've been doing with your taxpayer money, etc.

I agree that it does ignore the self-censorship trap that has rotted everything from within as a culture. More and more people on average simply couldn't care less about the simplest of social boundaries and even basic courtesy. It's like a pushback against social order itself as that has been taken for granted for so long thanks to a complacent leadership that neglects all major issues. Major issues that most people care about, some of which that go beyond even just economics.

The government wants a compliant populace from its own standpoint arguing that it will make it the most effective, when it's already had that era. Monarchy of course will get blamed since it operates in connection with "best governing". People will always be sensitive to directives that they sense operate against its own interests. This is normal. So I don't think Charles can win over new minds with arguments about shared virtues across the "cultural divide" or whatever when those times are now long past. It'll appeal to people who wish to hang onto to the best of what we are even during what is a difficult season for many. So I thought the message spoke to this and so accomplished it's most basic purpose, which was to point to aspects that could uplift as much as it possibly could.

Our culture is dying a natural death and it's not an immigration issue imo. The problems have run deeper and some of those can be pointed to the State. However, unmanaged immigration certainly adds strains to vital systems that people are dependent on and encroaches on lifestyles that people have grown attached to that helped them to weather difficult seasons in the past. Especially those who have felt the world is changing far too rapidly in a wrong direction for their liking. I think it is warranted and a normal feeling to have, but I question if maybe it is futile to keep looking back. My main worry is that the government is not responsible or accountable enough to handle the social issues effectively enough at this point that it will just keep exacerbating these issues. There's a benefit for govt to allow these divisions to continue to fester as it's much easier to campaign on the problems it creates, rather than closing the gap finally and creating solutions to resolve them because those solutions will be politically expensive, either way.

Charles will be more concerned about his legacy as his reign could be cut short very easily and so he would want to be on the right track so when he does go, it's on his terms as far as he's concerned... that said, I always thought he was a bit New Age-y and multicultural by nature, so his message seemed about right in that respect. As a casual American viewer, anyway...

[Urban Cragou]

Originally Posted by Yuki Maru Hoshi

I thought it was a good speech. It was one he had to make considering all his options, but genuinely I didn't hear anything that was insulting in the message. Parts of it felt like propaganda as if it were an ad for the monarchy but I didn't think there was a connection being made to general politics. Look at all the stuff we've been doing with your taxpayer money, etc.

I agree that it does ignore the self-censorship trap that has rotted everything from within as a culture. More and more people on average simply couldn't care less about the simplest of social boundaries and even basic courtesy. It's like a pushback against social order itself as that has been taken for granted for so long in lieu of a complacent leadership that takes all major issues for granted. Major issues that most people care about, some of which that go beyond even just economics.

The government wants a compliant populace from its own standpoint arguing that it will make it the most effective, when it's already had that era. Monarchy of course will get blamed since it operates in connection with "best governing". People will always be sensitive to directives that they sense operate against its own interests. This is normal. So I don't think Charles can win over new minds with arguments about shared virtues across the "cultural divide" or whatever when those times are now long past. It'll appeal to people who wish to hang onto to the best of what we are even during what is a difficult season for many. So I thought the message spoke to this and so accomplished it's most basic purpose, which was to point to aspects that could uplift as much as it possibly could.

Our culture is dying a natural death and it's not an immigration issue imo. The problems have run deeper and some of those can be pointed to the State. However, unmanaged immigration certainly adds strains to vital systems that people are dependent on and encroaches on lifestyles that people have grown attached to that helped them to weather difficult seasons in the past. Especially those who have felt the world is changing far too rapidly in a wrong direction for their liking. I think it is warranted and a normal feeling to have, but I question if maybe it is futile to keep looking back. My main worry is that the government is not responsible or accountable enough to handle the social issues effectively enough at this point that it will just keep exacerbating these issues. There's a benefit for govt to allow these divisions to continue to fester as it's much easier to campaign on the problems it creates, rather than closing the gap finally and creating solutions to resolve them because those solutions will be politically expensive, either way.

Charles will be more concerned about his legacy as his reign could be cut short very easily and so he would want to be on the right track so when he does go, it's on his terms as far as he's concerned... that said, I always thought he was a bit New Age-y and multicultural by nature, so his message seemed about right in that respect. As a casual American viewer, anyway...

Britain’s in a bad way. You certainly got that right.

[emseateng2014]

Originally Posted by arista

I recorded it on Ch4

Not very good.

i wonder how channel 4 got jimmy kimmel to do a alternate verison of the kings speech

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Yuki Maru Hoshi

I thought it was a good speech. It was one he had to make considering all his options, but genuinely I didn't hear anything that was insulting in the message. Parts of it felt like propaganda as if it were an ad for the monarchy but I didn't think there was a connection being made to general politics. Look at all the stuff we've been doing with your taxpayer money, etc.

I agree that it does ignore the self-censorship trap that has rotted everything from within as a culture. More and more people on average simply couldn't care less about the simplest of social boundaries and even basic courtesy. It's like a pushback against social order itself as that has been taken for granted for so long thanks to a complacent leadership that neglects all major issues. Major issues that most people care about, some of which that go beyond even just economics.

The government wants a compliant populace from its own standpoint arguing that it will make it the most effective, when it's already had that era. Monarchy of course will get blamed since it operates in connection with "best governing". People will always be sensitive to directives that they sense operate against its own interests. This is normal. So I don't think Charles can win over new minds with arguments about shared virtues across the "cultural divide" or whatever when those times are now long past. It'll appeal to people who wish to hang onto to the best of what we are even during what is a difficult season for many. So I thought the message spoke to this and so accomplished it's most basic purpose, which was to point to aspects that could uplift as much as it possibly could.

Our culture is dying a natural death and it's not an immigration issue imo. The problems have run deeper and some of those can be pointed to the State. However, unmanaged immigration certainly adds strains to vital systems that people are dependent on and encroaches on lifestyles that people have grown attached to that helped them to weather difficult seasons in the past. Especially those who have felt the world is changing far too rapidly in a wrong direction for their liking. I think it is warranted and a normal feeling to have, but I question if maybe it is futile to keep looking back. My main worry is that the government is not responsible or accountable enough to handle the social issues effectively enough at this point that it will just keep exacerbating these issues. There's a benefit for govt to allow these divisions to continue to fester as it's much easier to campaign on the problems it creates, rather than closing the gap finally and creating solutions to resolve them because those solutions will be politically expensive, either way.

Charles will be more concerned about his legacy as his reign could be cut short very easily and so he would want to be on the right track so when he does go, it's on his terms as far as he's concerned... that said, I always thought he was a bit New Age-y and multicultural by nature, so his message seemed about right in that respect. As a casual American viewer, anyway...

I think that you make a lot of good points, Maru.

I personally just want to add that the only way we can get Politics sorted from a UK perspective is to vote for a party that's not apart of the establishment.

No Tories, no Labour, no Farage, and no to Lib Dems and the Greens.

People should vote for someone that the Media and the Political world really doesn't want to win the next general election, it would shake up Politics forever in this country which is what we desperately need.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

I think that you make a lot of good points, Maru.

I personally just want to add that the only way we can get Politics sorted from a UK perspective is to vote for a party that's not apart of the establishment.

No Tories, no Labour, no Farage, and no to Lib Dems and the Greens.

People should vote for someone that the Media and the Political world really doesn't want to win the next general election, it would shake up Politics forever in this country which is what we desperately need.

My hopes are very low for that for a number of reasons. I was literally watching a clip yesterday where a "chad" was being interviewed who said he would only vote for Gavin Newsom because he was more swoll (ie fit) than JD Vance... even though politically he aligned with Vance moreso. And there's apparently some movement around obsessions around appearance, ie viewing politicians based on how they look, how they take care of their own body and any perceived "deformities" genetically. I have seen elements of that type of thinking from some young men... it's great to have some standards, but wow. The clip was apparently from this interview.

My mindset has always been we can't really vote ourselves out of mistakes that we have already made. At some point, the bill becomes due. Things like inflation, for example, are indicative of type of wild west economics that we've allowed to become the norm... it applies to social as well, imo.

On the topic, I don't think that the monarchy is no longer relevant, but I'm not sure what the King, Will can do about that kind of thing. We can only repeat positive platitudes for so long before they just sort of fade into the dust... for lack of a better term.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Yuki Maru Hoshi

My hopes are very low for that for a number of reasons. I was literally watching a clip yesterday where a "chad" was being interviewed who said he would only vote for Gavin Newsom because he was more swoll (ie fit) than JD Vance... even though politically he aligned with Vance moreso. And there's apparently some movement around obsessions around appearance, ie viewing politicians based on how they look, how they take care of their own body and any perceived "deformities" genetically. I have seen elements of that type of thinking from some young men... it's great to have some standards, but wow. The clip was apparently from this interview.

My mindset has always been we can't really vote ourselves out of mistakes that we have already made. At some point, the bill becomes due. Things like inflation, for example, are indicative of type of wild west economics that we've allowed to become the norm... it applies to social as well, imo.

On the topic, I don't think that the monarchy is no longer relevant, but I'm not sure what the King, Will can do about that kind of thing. We can only repeat positive platitudes for so long before they just sort of fade into the dust... for lack of a better term.

my description of the state of things these days is that everything social is undisciplined. Everyone can do as they want because people have been given a voice through generations of enforced equality. This all started long before social media came along. The initial intentions may well have been noble, but like everything, leave it to grow unchecked and it goes wild.

If the king is preaching about a time where everyone gets along and is tolerant of others. It has never happened in history and never will in the future and forcing it upon people just creates a force resisting it. It's what human beings are

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Yuki Maru Hoshi

My hopes are very low for that for a number of reasons. I was literally watching a clip yesterday where a "chad" was being interviewed who said he would only vote for Gavin Newsom because he was more swoll (ie fit) than JD Vance... even though politically he aligned with Vance moreso. And there's apparently some movement around obsessions around appearance, ie viewing politicians based on how they look, how they take care of their own body and any perceived "deformities" genetically. I have seen elements of that type of thinking from some young men... it's great to have some standards, but wow. The clip was apparently from this interview.

My mindset has always been we can't really vote ourselves out of mistakes that we have already made. At some point, the bill becomes due. Things like inflation, for example, are indicative of type of wild west economics that we've allowed to become the norm... it applies to social as well, imo.

On the topic, I don't think that the monarchy is no longer relevant, but I'm not sure what the King, Will can do about that kind of thing. We can only repeat positive platitudes for so long before they just sort of fade into the dust... for lack of a better term.

The guy will vote for Newsom instead of Vance because he thinks that Newsom looks better?

No wonder Politics around the world is in such a horrible state.

And the Royal Family in this country will slowly fade away post-Queen Elizabeth II imo, the other Royals don't seem to be anywhere near as popular.

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

The guy will vote for Newsom instead of Vance because he thinks that Newsom looks better?

No wonder Politics around the world is in such a horrible state.

And the Royal Family in this country will slowly fade away post-Queen Elizabeth II imo, the other Royals don't seem to be anywhere near as popular.

Predicting the Royals is above my pay grade, I think, but having them is better than not having them imv because it adds to a feeling of stability. We used to have that in a Presidency...

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

Originally Posted by bots

my description of the state of things these days is that everything social is undisciplined. Everyone can do as they want because people have been given a voice through generations of enforced equality. This all started long before social media came along. The initial intentions may well have been noble, but like everything, leave it to grow unchecked and it goes wild.

If the king is preaching about a time where everyone gets along and is tolerant of others. It has never happened in history and never will in the future and forcing it upon people just creates a force resisting it. It's what human beings are

Chickens coming home to roost comes to mind. It was nice to believe in the opposite for a long enough time in the West and we were living the dream... but it's like the college student waking up after a very longer bender. The essay is still due at 9am.

And no, social media wasn't the very beginning of an overall decline, but it did remove the gauze rather harshly and so we've had a harder time adjusting than I think in generations passed...

While I don't think the Royals have done much to modernize, maybe that's for the better? It gives the appearance they've weathered some storms... so at least it's admirable. Something about being able to stay the same in 2025/2026 seems more appealing than one would expect...

[Merry Mockmas]

Originally Posted by Yuki Maru Hoshi

Predicting the Royals is above my pay grade, I think, but having them is better than not having them imv because it adds to a feeling of stability. We used to have that in a Presidency...

I personally am not really fussed one way or the other with the Royal Family as an institution tbh.

But I do agree with you that the Royal Family bring stability, because the one area where they definitely help with stability for the UK is how many tourists go to London to want to see Buckingham Palace up close.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Merry Mockmas

I personally am not really fussed one way or the other with the Royal Family as an institution tbh.

But I do agree with you that the Royal Family bring stability, because the one area where they definitely help with stability for the UK is how many tourists go to London to want to see Buckingham Palace up close.

They are also patrons of countless charities, employ thousands of people and bring in countless trade deals through diplomacy and by hosting foreign dignitaries. It's not all 'changing of the guard'. I worked briefly with the Prince's Trust, now the King's Trust. What an amazing organisation and one that is ignored every time an anti-monarchist reduces the royal family down to a tourist attraction. I'm not really referring to you there, by the way, Mock.

[Livia]

I thought the Queen was brilliant on the Today show today, showing great compassion to John Hunt and his daughter Amy. John Hunt's wife and two other daughters were murdered last year by one of the daughters' ex partner. Camilla showed great kindness toward them. She is a great advocate for women who have suffered violence and the charities that support them. She also spoke publicly for the first time about when she herself was attacked as a teenager.

[Zizu]

Originally Posted by Livia

Zizu and his nonsense back on ignore, I'm afraid.

You claim that I am wrong in my opinion of Camilla and her involvement in ruining Di’s wedding and life … yet both William and Harry have slaughtered her repeatedly over the years .

Harry famously criticised her 60 times in his book …

Pretty sure they know more about Camilla than you do darlin’