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InOne · 05-11-2009, 11:40 PM

Seem we have to bend over backwards for everyone these days. 'The sun never sets on the British Empire' wtf happened to that?

arista · 05-11-2009, 11:49 PM

It's America's Mess
out there.

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

terrorists have plenty of places in Africa and Pakistan. The Taliban were there before we came.

"pose a greater threat" - how?

The most damaging attacks have come from terrorist groups trained and following orders from Al Quaeda in that region supported by the Taliban, If you think leaving the region wont increase the threat of Islamist terrorists you must be crazy. And when I say Islamist terrorists I mean people who use the religion of Islam for their own gains and go against the majority of Muslim people.

WOMBAI · 06-11-2009, 09:28 AM

The threat is and will always be there. We need to get our troops out and deal with it on our own soil. Why should our troops die over there trying to sort out their problems?

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

The threat is and will always be there. We need to get our troops out and deal with it on our own soil. Why should our troops die over there trying to sort out their problems?

Yeh but the Taliban would take over where they left off and in years to come the problem would be much worse, they should have sorted Afghanistan out back in the 80s then 9/11 might have been prevented

WOMBAI · 06-11-2009, 09:37 AM

Stick the combats on the politicians - and let them go over there and sacrifice their lives then. Don't care about them. They are too quick to sacrifice the lives of those they don't know - you don't see their sons and daughters over there fighting. They don't give a damn about the troops - we have lost far too many already. Think the whole thing is a disgrace.

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Stick the combats on the politicians - and let them go over there and sacrifice their lives then. Don't care about them. They are too quick to sacrifice the lives of those they don't know - you don't see their sons and daughters over there fighting. They don't give a damn about the troops - we have lost far too many already. Think the whole thing is a disgrace.

They sign up to defend our country for the benefit of the rest us, if they dont want the risk, dont join up! (My brother fought in the second gulf war btw and is now in prison after having a mental breakdown so dont give me I dont know blah blah blah)

WOMBAI · 06-11-2009, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

They sign up to defend our country for the benefit of the rest us, if they dont want the risk, dont join up! (My brother fought in the second gulf war btw and is now in prison after having a mental breakdown so dont give me I dont know blah blah blah)

Not saying you don't know - but I have had a son over there - who has since left the forces - so relieved he is out of it now - but still feel for the parents whose sons and daughters are still over there.

I strongly feel that these countries cause their own problems - and it always down to us to solve them for them - at the expense of our young men and womens' lives. Will never agree with it.

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WOMBAI

Not saying you don't know - but I have had a son over there - who has since left the forces - so relieved he is out of it now - but still feel for the parents whose sons and daughters are still over there.

I strongly feel that these countries cause their own problems - and it always down to us to solve them for them - at the expense of our young men and womens' lives. Will never agree with it.

Well its not just about sorting that country out, its about sorting the Taliban/Al quaeda out because they pose a very real threat, I feel for you as a mother, but I think its more important our soldiers dont feel like theyre comrades are dying for no good reason and feel they are doing a job that benefits us all (cos they are).

Crimson Dynamo · 06-11-2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well its not just about sorting that country out, its about sorting the Taliban/Al quaeda out because they pose a very real threat, I feel for you as a mother, but I think its more important our soldiers dont feel like theyre comrades are dying for no good reason and feel they are doing a job that benefits us all (cos they are).

can you tell me how many people in the uk have been killed by Al Quaeda?

civillians

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

can you tell me how many people in the uk have been killed by Al Quaeda?

civillians

There would be a greater risk if we hadnt gone in there, they werent just targeting the US

arista · 06-11-2009, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

There would be a greater risk if we hadnt gone in there, they werent just targeting the US

What utter Bollocks.

WOMBAI · 06-11-2009, 12:50 PM

We would protect our country better by using more resources for tracking down the people that pose a threat in this country - keeping a better eye on them - stricter immigration controls for people that pose a potential threat - instead of sending our troops to these contries where they become such obvious targets.

The amount of resourses that go into that - could make vast improvements on the monitoring of such people in our own country - along with stricter rules for prosecution.
Those convicted of involvemet in any terrorist act - should be thrown out of the country permanently - once they have served their time in jail - and NEVER allowed back in. And this should be monitored rigourously.

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 01:04 PM

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What utter Bollocks.

No Arista...UTTER FACT

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 01:12 PM

Im for tackling things at the root. I dont think just military force is the way to acheive our aims either there needs to be some dialogue and political negotiation too

pinkmichk · 06-11-2009, 02:22 PM

i dont think we should have gone out there in the first place so obviously think our troops need pulling out but it needs to be when the time is right
i've got a friend who is going through the process to get in the army in one respect it scares me so much that he is willingly putting himself in that situation but i also have the upmost respect for him cos he is doing it to help create a safe future for every single one of us

arista · 06-11-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Im for tackling things at the root. I dont think just military force is the way to acheive our aims either there needs to be some dialogue and political negotiation too

Now that is better.

NettoSuperstar! · 06-11-2009, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by arista

Now that is better.

key word- "just"

Ninastar · 06-11-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

No, if we leave now the Taliban will return and the people of Afghanistan will suffer and the terrorists will re group and pose a greater threat

This. It scares me that this could happen and it might be worse than last time.

WOMBAI · 06-11-2009, 04:06 PM

I care more about our own troops - and we can deal with the terrorists on our own soil.

arista · 06-11-2009, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

key word- "just"

No take that word out.

andyman · 06-11-2009, 08:29 PM

We need to stay and see the job through, that area of the world will take time to heal and could take upto 100 years.

Patrick · 06-11-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

Yes we might be 'responsible' but we need to grow a spine sometime and accept we can't sort it. You don't really see many countries caring for us do you?

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