[Dr.Gonzo]

Yeh, then send troops home in rubber sacks. Show them how the undertakers do it.

They are being paid to do a job and they should be more then proud to do it.

[Dr.Gonzo]

Originally Posted by atieah2009

They are being paid to do a job and they should be more then proud to do it.

You ask any corpse how easy it is to be proud. We should concentrate more on the **** that happens on our own soil before casting an eye elsewhere.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

Yeh, then send troops home in rubber sacks. Show them how the undertakers do it.

As I previously said, there are always casualties but it is a price that unfortunately has to be paid. I think that in this case there should be some involvement on a humanitarian basis. I doubt we would have the freedom we have today if people had not lost their lives for the better of their, and their future, generation.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dr.Gonzo

What do you suggest we do? Send our troops to yet another hole of a country and tell another bunch of animals how to bury their ****? It hasn't worked out well in the past. We should keep our noses out and let them deal with things how they want. Troops went to Vietnam; troops went to Afghanistan... and it never ends well. We are a small but great nation, and we should be happy with that. Let others do as they will. Judge not, lest ye be judged.

This is a really difficult one - because although I do believe it is everyone's business - at the same time I agree with what you say and don't want our troops sent there as well! It is always easy for people who have no emotional involvement to shout 'send the troops in' - but those troops are someone's loved ones - and it just isn't good enough to say 'there are casualties along the way' - just as long as it isn't them or their loved ones hey!

Maybe other things such as very extreme international sanctions - restricting imports and exports into the country and such like - make life very difficult for those in the government. It would be a slower process - of course, but I don't see why people from other nations should die in order for people from that country to be allowed openness about their sexuality.

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

As I previously said, there are always casualties but it is a price that unfortunately has to be paid. I think that in this case there should be some involvement on a humanitarian basis. I doubt we would have the freedom we have today if people had not lost their lives for the better of their, and their future, generation.

Excellent, Lives have to be sacrificed. Fathers,Husbands and boys become warriors. What's wrong in our soil? a bit of graffiti on the road? War is unfortunate but a price that has to be paid, we live under a one world government.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

As I previously said, there are always casualties but it is a price that unfortunately has to be paid. I think that in this case there should be some involvement on a humanitarian basis. I doubt we would have the freedom we have today if people had not lost their lives for the better of their, and their future, generation.

You pay it then - don't just expect someone else to do it!

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You pay it then - don't just expect someone else to do it!

My Uncle paid a price, and i would be more then happy to myself.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

it just isn't good enough to say 'there are casualties along the way' - just as long as it isn't them or their loved ones hey!

Quite presumptious of you.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by atieah2009

My Uncle paid a price, and i would be more then happy to myself.

I am sorry about your uncle - he was obviously a brave man. You are free to join up and fight if you want to - but no-one has the right to sit by and say that others should do so! Nine times out of ten - they have no idea what they are talking about!

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You pay it then - don't just expect someone else to do it!

I would if the need arose. I don't expect anything from anyone. I am grateful we have people who are willing to and not just ignore such matters.

[_Seth]

This is absolutely abysmal. Anyone who agrees with this is an utter disgrace. This move can never be justified.

[Sticks]

We do quite a bit of trade with certain regimes, some might not approve of, but this trade provides jobs in this country. If we go criticising other governments and "dipping our nibs where there is no ink" all we do is lose jobs here in Britain. The practices you may not like will continue anyway and all you have succeeded is putting people out of work here.

There is a fundamental rule, that we do not interfere in the internal affairs of another sovereign state, period.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Sticks

We do quite a bit of trade with certain regimes, some might not approve of, but this trade provides jobs in this country. If we go criticising other governments and "dipping our nibs where there is no ink" all we do is lose jobs here in Britain. The practices you may not like will continue anyway and all you have succeeded is putting people out of work here.

There is a fundamental rule, that we do not interfere in the internal affairs of another sovereign state, period.

So turning a blind eye to the murdering of innocent people is ok then if it saves jobs?

[Tom4784]

Too right the BBC are getting flack. I agree with the statements that Uganda's murdering it's citizens. I find it tragic that nothing is being done to stop it.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Too right the BBC are getting flack. I agree with the statements that Uganda's murdering it's citizens. I find it tragic that nothing is being done to stop it.

And what do you suggest? Send in the troops - exchange the lives of our men for theirs! Where is the sense in that?

[Sticks]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

So turning a blind eye to the murdering of innocent people is ok then if it saves jobs?

You are not going to stop them what ever you do, so what is the point?

In tough times like now, we do not want to cause the loss of more jobs here, do we?

[InOne]

I do agree we should look at the state of our own country before we go sending any more troops out. Why do we always have to sort it out?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by Sticks

You are not going to stop them what ever you do, so what is the point?

Ahh. Imagine if this was said of Hitler.

[WOMBAI]

Politics - our polititians have their own agendas. Bugger all to do with human rights!

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Ahh. Imagine if this was said of Hitler.

Godwins law.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by InOne

Godwins law.

Sorry. I forgot it was unmentionable.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by Mrluvaluva

Sorry. I forgot it was unmentionable.

Do you agree it applies to this debate?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally Posted by InOne

Do you agree it applies to this debate?

I think this debate has progressed onto amuch wider subject and I do not see the need for people to be shouting Godwins law! as soon as something is mentioned. It applies in the context it was meant to.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

And what do you suggest? Send in the troops - exchange the lives of our men for theirs! Where is the sense in that?

Did I say anything about war? I'm talking about the cancellation of treaties and contracts, It's possible to pressurize them into changing things if we take away any help we provide to the country. If all the major countries threaten to withdraw their treaties and such then it would definately make Uganda reconsider it's stance.