[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Lack of reinvestment made over the previous three or four decades, smaller wildcat strikes, secondary picketing, the NUM leadership pulling the miners out in support of other industries in dispute, all meant the NCB couldnt meet orders, so where were powers staions etc meant to buy coal to burn for electricity?

I dont know if you were around in the seventies, but the unions while helping bring about fantastic changes in health and safety, standards of living etc. also did a lot of damage to Britain's market economy.

Some valid points here. I am not old enough to remember the 1970's, but I live in an area that has suffered the consequences of the political upheaval of the 1980's. My town is a shadow of its former self. Most of its working class earned a living as labourers and mine workers. Their livelihood was taken away when their limited skills no longer served any purpose and the mines were forced to close down. Many are still unemployed and my own generation has had a far more difficult time climbing the social ladder than those their parents' age.

You may not believe it, but I don't see the Tory supporters or members as the villains of the late 70's, early 80's. People had their reasons for hating the unions and Thatcher was the only direct challenge to them. I just don't agree with the alternative she offered.

Thats the nature of the beast though isnt it? If its unviable do you continue to pump public money into supporting something that may be better off dying a death. Something has to give and at the time there were also problems with the Steel Industry, Motor Industry, Shipbuilding, Air Transport, Aircraft Building, the list goes on and on.

Protectionist policies that some political and union leaders advocated at the time would have simply drained the national economy, worse than Tony and Gordy have done over the last few years.

At the very least, we would have been self-sufficient and society wouldn't have been put in jeopardy by mass unemployment. Britain's tightly regulated, highly taxed economy should have been somewhat streamlined, not smashed altogether. Would we have become the fourth largest economy in the world (up until recently) if this had happened? Maybe not. Would life in Britain have been better than it has been for the past twenty years? I think so.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by BB_Eye

At the very least, we would have been self-sufficient and society wouldn't have been put in jeopardy by mass unemployment. Britain's tightly regulated, highly taxed economy should have been somewhat streamlined, not smashed altogether. Would we have become the fourth largest economy in the world (up until recently) if this had happened? Maybe not. Would life in Britain have been better than it has been for the past twenty years? I think so.

No chance we would ever have been self sufficient, its alright saying if we had kept our pits open with public funds our iron and steel industry would have bought the coal, no they wouldnt, they would still have bought cheaper, more reliable deliveries from germany, even though the coal itself was of a lower quality, it was guarenteed to be there when you wanted it.

Would the British Public have paid for far more expensive electricity, cars etc than cheaper foreign imports. Dont think so. So what could we do, oh we could put an import tax on all foreign goods coming into the UK, in which case everyone else taxes our exports.

While Thatcher's policies werent ideal they were better than Labour's at the time, improving the balance of payments, reducing unemployment eventually and bringing down inflation, which is why Tony Blair used her basic economic model initially when he came to power.

The reason why the recession of the 1980's was so lengthy was because at the start of the decade the pound became a petro currency because of North Sea Oil and its value rose. This meant our exports overseas became more expensive, this in turn reduced demand for british goods, even in the uk market as foreign imports were cheaper, consequently our manufacturing industries suffered.

Long Term unemployment figures started falling mid-80's partly due to massaged figures but also due to a real fall in numbers unemployed. When Labour came to power they were riding on the back of Tory policies for the first 2-3 years. Since then figures have been further massaged. However since the mid 80's the numbers of people in employment has actually risen.

[Mystic Mock]

yes his a hypocrite aswell he told john major to call an election wheres him doing it and once david cameron took the lead over him he didnt go through with the election his clinging on for power

[Shasown]

Is Gordon Brown really that bad i mean all he is doing is being the fall guy for Tony Blair.

Now personally he was the worst prime minsiter in my eyes, a supposed christian and ex-cnd member taking us into Iraq etc. Education for all - was only there to keep youngsters off the dole and run up student debt while getting a degree in some wonderful made up subjects like media studies. He runs the country into the ground then walks away and leaves poor one eye to take all the flak.

Then again there was Neville Chamberlain, a complete knob if you ask me , waving his bit of paper around declaring "peace in our time!" What a tool.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Is Gordon Brown really that bad i mean all he is doing is being the fall guy for Tony Blair.

Now personally he was the worst prime minsiter in my eyes, a supposed christian and ex-cnd member taking us into Iraq etc. Education for all - was only there to keep youngsters off the dole and run up student debt while getting a degree in some wonderful made up subjects like media studies. He runs the country into the ground then walks away and leaves poor one eye to take all the flak.

Then again there was Neville Chamberlain, a complete knob if you ask me , waving his bit of paper around declaring "peace in our time!" What a tool.

Well it was Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson and Alastair Darling, Blair's henchmen who were complicit in deceiving us into waging an illegal war in Iraq; throwing open our borders with no controls to stop criminals and terrorists entering our country; imposing political correctness on us so that we are now barely allowed to express an opinion in case it "offends" someone; bringing this country to the brink of bankruptcy since Brown's policy, when he was chancellor, was to throw more money at everything, borrowing up to the hilt, so that it will take decades for this country to repay the billions it owes; and rewarding incompetent bankers with tax payers' money, etc etc. Now Brown has decided to cut back on defence spending, which means the forces are ill equipped to defend themselves never mind actually fight, whilst he continues to send our soldiers to fight in wars that are futile because he is still trying to climb up America's backside, except that Blair is still firmly lodged up there.

THAT Gordon Brown? Not bad???!!! Just give him another four years in power and watch him finish off the job of grinding this country into the ground.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by angus58

Well it was Gordon Brown, Peter Mandelson and Alastair Darling, Blair's henchmen who were complicit in deceiving us into waging an illegal war in Iraq; throwing open our borders with no controls to stop criminals and terrorists entering our country; imposing political correctness on us so that we are now barely allowed to express an opinion in case it "offends" someone; bringing this country to the brink of bankruptcy since Brown's policy, when he was chancellor, was to throw more money at everything, borrowing up to the hilt, so that it will take decades for this country to repay the billions it owes; and rewarding incompetent bankers with tax payers' money, etc etc. Now Brown has decided to cut back on defence spending, which means the forces are ill equipped to defend themselves never mind actually fight, whilst he continues to send our soldiers to fight in wars that are futile because he is still trying to climb up America's backside, except that Blair is still firmly lodged up there.

THAT Gordon Brown? Not bad???!!! Just give him another four years in power and watch him finish off the job of grinding this country into the ground.

He may have been Chancellor but TB still had the final say. As for the Iraq War, it was in the end Tony's decision. Amusing really because as PM his mandate for involving the British Armed Forces in conflict was for defence, so amazingly a reason for invasion for defence appeared, now it appears there were a few kinks in the truth. His mandate was exceeded regardless of how he now states we did the right thing removing Saddam. He was advised without a reason for securing defence of our realm it was illegal.

If it was up to me personally I wouldnt give Gordon Brown four more minutes in power.

[NettoSuperstar!]

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!...This recession...Thatchers fault! Everything wrong with society... Thatchers fault!...she'd even steal milk from a bairn that one!

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!

Evil Warmonger Blair should be in Prison.

He is 100% Guilty of giving the World a Falsehood.


Utter Fact.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by arista

Evil Warmonger Blair should be in Prison.

He is 100% Guilty of giving the World a Falsehood.


Utter Fact.

Well I dont agree with going to war in Iraq at that time no

[arista]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Well I dont agree with going to war in Iraq at that time no

Yes it was a Illegal Invasion
that will Finish New Labour Forever.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

If your gonna pull the rug under a large section of the population, at least have the decency to invest in education training and skills for the people in the mess you left behind! At Least Blair had a go at that!...This recession...Thatchers fault! Everything wrong with society... Thatchers fault!...she'd even steal milk from a bairn that one!

How did Blair have a go at investing in education, training and skills? The very first thing that New Labour did when they got into power was to scrap the Assisted Places scheme which offered underprivileged children fully funded education at private schools, thereby making private education the preserve only of the priviliged and rich again. A cynical move by a New Labour government whose majority of MPs attended private schools themselves yet they wanted to deny that opportunity to any one else's child.

For a government that intends to fight the next election on the class issue, for those that dont know, here's the full list of all the labour mps who attended private schools and are oh sOOOO representative of the working class eh? Labour voters who still believe that BS are living in the past.

•Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood)
•Hugh Bayley (City of York)
•Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
•Bob Blizzard (Waveney)
•Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
•Stephen Byers (North Tyneside)
•Charles Clarke (Norwich South)
•Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley)
•Jim Cousins (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central)
•Alistair Darling (Edinburgh South West)
•Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford)
•Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside)
•Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire)
•Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
•Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
•Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton)
•Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
•Peter Hain (Neath)
•Patrick Hall (Bedford and Kempston)
•Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
•Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
•John Healey (Wentworth)
•Margaret Hodge (Barking)
•Geoff Hoon (Ashfield)
•Lindsay Hoyle (Chorley)
•Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood)
•Sally Keeble (Northampton North)
•Ruth Kelly (Bolton West)
•Jim Knight (South Dorset)
•Ivan Lewis (South Bury)
•Martin Linton (Battersea)
•Ian Lucas (Wrexham)
•Denis MacShane (Rotherham)
•Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
•Judy Mallaber (Amber Valley)
•John Mann (Bassetlaw)
•Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
•Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
•Bob Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
•Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton)
•Chris Mole (Ipswich)
•Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)
•Doug Naysmith (Bristol North West)
•Nick Palmer (Broxtowe)
•Gordon Prentice (Pendle)
•James Purnell (Stalybridge and Hyde)
•Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich)
•Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
•Andrew Slaughter (Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush)
•John Spellar (Warley)
•Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West)
•Howard Stoate (Dartford)
•Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
•Mark Todd (South Derbyshire)
•Kitty Ussher (Burnley)
•Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
•Malcolm Wicks (Croydon North)
•Michael Wills (Swindon North)
•Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central)
•Shaun Woodward (St Helens South)


As regards the recession, this has followed 10 years of Brown's stint as chancellor, not a good legacy is it. At least Thatcher enabled thousands to buy their own property (Right to Buy), and offered the Assisted Places Scheme for underprivileged children. As for the recession, Brown created it during his dire stint as Chancellor, and is now engineering a false recovery to bolster his election chances. He treats the electorate as if they are idiots, but most of us can see through the labour spin machine.

Since New Labour came to power, we have seen a return of the unofficial strikes, official strikes, wildcat strikes etc, that have plagued our economy during the previous five decades. I am not against Unions but they have to understand that their workers are not superior to any others and if there is no more money in the pot then they should be pleased they, at least, HAVE a job. Thatcher was instrumental in curbing the power of the Unions who held the public to ransom too often. Under New Labour, the Unions, who significantly fund the party, have grown arrogant and greedy again. Recent examples are Royal Mail and British Airways, whose members are quite happy to disrupt people's lives and expect us to sympathise with their cause.

Thatcher may have been a lot of things, good and bad, but at the time she was in power SHE was actually the best man for the job, and the Tories have paid the price of ousting her as leader by being unable to put forward a viable leader of the party for some time. Thatcher was the daughter of a grocer, and had to be twice as good as the men in order to progress in politics (we're talking forty years ago when women were still being overlooked for all the top jobs). Cameron is far from perfect, but I'd take him over an unelected Brown who, along with his cohorts, has proven himself to be not up to the job.

[bbfan1991]

Gordon Brown is so boring, I can't stand him... useless.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by angus58

How did Blair have a go at investing in education, training and skills? The very first thing that New Labour did when they got into power was to scrap the Assisted Places scheme which offered underprivileged children fully funded education at private schools, thereby making private education the preserve only of the priviliged and rich again. A cynical move by a New Labour government whose majority of MPs attended private schools themselves yet they wanted to deny that opportunity to any one else's child.

For a government that intends to fight the next election on the class issue, for those that dont know, here's the full list of all the labour mps who attended private schools and are oh sOOOO representative of the working class eh? Labour voters who still believe that BS are living in the past.

•Ed Balls (Morley and Outwood)
•Hugh Bayley (City of York)
•Hilary Benn (Leeds Central)
•Bob Blizzard (Waveney)
•Chris Bryant (Rhondda)
•Stephen Byers (North Tyneside)
•Charles Clarke (Norwich South)
•Ann Clwyd (Cynon Valley)
•Jim Cousins (Newcastle-upon-Tyne Central)
•Alistair Darling (Edinburgh South West)
•Quentin Davies (Grantham and Stamford)
•Louise Ellman (Liverpool Riverside)
•Natascha Engel (North East Derbyshire)
•Mark Fisher (Stoke-on-Trent Central)
•Barry Gardiner (Brent North)
•Linda Gilroy (Plymouth Sutton)
•Paul Goggins (Wythenshawe and Sale East)
•Peter Hain (Neath)
•Patrick Hall (Bedford and Kempston)
•Fabian Hamilton (Leeds North East)
•Harriet Harman (Camberwell and Peckham)
•John Healey (Wentworth)
•Margaret Hodge (Barking)
•Geoff Hoon (Ashfield)
•Lindsay Hoyle (Chorley)
•Tessa Jowell (Dulwich and West Norwood)
•Sally Keeble (Northampton North)
•Ruth Kelly (Bolton West)
•Jim Knight (South Dorset)
•Ivan Lewis (South Bury)
•Martin Linton (Battersea)
•Ian Lucas (Wrexham)
•Denis MacShane (Rotherham)
•Fiona Mactaggart (Slough)
•Judy Mallaber (Amber Valley)
•John Mann (Bassetlaw)
•Rob Marris (Wolverhampton South West)
•Gordon Marsden (Blackpool South)
•Bob Marshall-Andrews (Medway)
•Michael Meacher (Oldham West and Royton)
•Chris Mole (Ipswich)
•Julie Morgan (Cardiff North)
•Doug Naysmith (Bristol North West)
•Nick Palmer (Broxtowe)
•Gordon Prentice (Pendle)
•James Purnell (Stalybridge and Hyde)
•Nick Raynsford (Greenwich and Woolwich)
•Geoffrey Robinson (Coventry North West)
•Andrew Slaughter (Ealing, Acton and Shepherd's Bush)
•John Spellar (Warley)
•Phyllis Starkey (Milton Keynes South West)
•Howard Stoate (Dartford)
•Gavin Strang (Edinburgh East)
•Mark Todd (South Derbyshire)
•Kitty Ussher (Burnley)
•Keith Vaz (Leicester East)
•Malcolm Wicks (Croydon North)
•Michael Wills (Swindon North)
•Rosie Winterton (Doncaster Central)
•Shaun Woodward (St Helens South)


As regards the recession, this has followed 10 years of Brown's stint as chancellor, not a good legacy is it. At least Thatcher enabled thousands to buy their own property (Right to Buy), and offered the Assisted Places Scheme for underprivileged children. As for the recession, Brown created it during his dire stint as Chancellor, and is now engineering a false recovery to bolster his election chances. He treats the electorate as if they are idiots, but most of us can see through the labour spin machine.

Since New Labour came to power, we have seen a return of the unofficial strikes, official strikes, wildcat strikes etc, that have plagued our economy during the previous five decades. I am not against Unions but they have to understand that their workers are not superior to any others and if there is no more money in the pot then they should be pleased they, at least, HAVE a job. Thatcher was instrumental in curbing the power of the Unions who held the public to ransom too often. Under New Labour, the Unions, who significantly fund the party, have grown arrogant and greedy again. Recent examples are Royal Mail and British Airways, whose members are quite happy to disrupt people's lives and expect us to sympathise with their cause.

Thatcher may have been a lot of things, good and bad, but at the time she was in power SHE was actually the best man for the job, and the Tories have paid the price of ousting her as leader by being unable to put forward a viable leader of the party for some time. Thatcher was the daughter of a grocer, and had to be twice as good as the men in order to progress in politics (we're talking forty years ago when women were still being overlooked for all the top jobs). Cameron is far from perfect, but I'd take him over an unelected Brown who, along with his cohorts, has proven himself to be not up to the job.

Oh yeh the few token places for the working classes to go to posh school! (actually most places went to middle class kids who couldnt quite afford private) Great scheme that! If Thatcher had her way she'd have completely left the state system to rot and created a two tier system one for the privileged and left the working/middle classes to rot unless theyre really lucky! At least Blair invested in state education, trying to reduce class sizes, nursery funding etc...I probably wouldnt be able to afford to work if it wasnt for nursery funding and I know a lot of working class mothers definately wouldnt! And I have a relatively good job! What these toffs and thatcherites (of which New Labour pretty much turned into, I dont deny) dont realise is if you dont invest in the worker ants/consumers and you let the greedy go unchecked then the whole system breaks down and you push more people on to benefits! The whole ****ing system is wrong, but I would still vote Labour over Tory any day! Camerons not fit to run a country, he hasnt got a clue FACT! ...infact I would have had a harder time doing my degree under a Tory govt full stop! Its only the minimum wage coming in and working time directives (Tories would have cut us off from Europe) that enabled me to get ahead!....and while Im on my anti Tory rant, they are currently proposing to scrap child tax credits for some which will inevitably mean that a lot of people, women particularly will have to give up work and go on benefits! and the poor rich divide grows ever furthur! ****e friggin logic! Ohhh and not to mention the inheritance tax cuts for millionaires! ****in buncha wankers!

and Brown didnt create the recession...if anything you can blame Thatcher for the that n all!....bitch...I'd effin dance on her grave

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

(Tories would have cut us off from Europe) that enabled me to get ahead!....and while Im on my anti Tory rant, they are currently proposing to scrap child tax credits for some which will inevitably mean that a lot of people, women particularly will have to give up work and go on benefits! and the poor rich divide grows ever furthur! ****e friggin logic! Ohhh and not to mention the inheritance tax cuts for millionaires! ****in buncha wankers!

and Brown didnt create the recession...if anything you can blame Thatcher for the that n all!....bitch...I'd effin dance on her grave

Oh good i am glad your degree has educated you. It obviously wasn't in economics. Shame you dont actually look at facts and listen to what is being said.

The Tories would not have cut us off from Europe, if you believe their tales they would not have given so much of our power away to Europe, nor would they have allowed certain legislation become statute in this country.

They are for cutting tax Credits, at the wealthier end, where it isnt needed, isnt that the best place to cut it?

Although Brown didnt create the recession, you cant lay it at Thatchers door either. It is global, that means its worldwide and while our bankers and economists contributed to it they certainly didnt cause it, try American banks and over extension of credit etc.

What you can lay at Brown and Blair's door because they were in power during the lead up to it is the fact they failed to take strict enough economic measures to ensure the recession didnt bite too hard or for too long. Thats why other countries have come out of it quickly and we still wallow in it.

You earned for yourself, 9/10 for emotion on your anti-tory rant but 2/10 for fact and substance.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Oh good i am glad your degree has educated you. It obviously wasn't in economics. Shame you dont actually look at facts and listen to what is being said.

The Tories would not have cut us off from Europe, if you believe their tales they would not have given so much of our power away to Europe, nor would they have allowed certain legislation become statute in this country.

They are for cutting tax Credits, at the wealthier end, where it isnt needed, isnt that the best place to cut it?

Although Brown didnt create the recession, you cant lay it at Thatchers door either. It is global, that means its worldwide and while our bankers and economists contributed to it they certainly didnt cause it, try American banks and over extension of credit etc.

What you can lay at Brown and Blair's door because they were in power during the lead up to it is the fact they failed to take strict enough economic measures to ensure the recession didnt bite too hard or for too long. Thats why other countries have come out of it quickly and we still wallow in it.

You earned for yourself, 9/10 for emotion on your anti-tory rant but 2/10 for fact and substance.

Yeh tongue in cheek at the end there, but twas you that said Gordon created it ahem... and tis Maggie who advocated a complete lack of regulation in this country in the first place, dont get all high and mighty with me. And as for the tax credits theyre thinking of cutting them for middle income families (with children) like me who do depend on them to be able to work. Thatcher was anti Europe FACT

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Yeh tongue in cheek at the end there, but tis her who advocated a complete lack of regulation in this country in the first place, dont get all high and mighty with me. And as for the tax credits theyre thinking of cutting them for middle income families (with children) like me who do depend on them to be able to work. Thatcher was anti Europe FACT

^^^FICTION^^^

Hate to say this but if you are middle income, wouldnt it appeal to your socialist leanings to give a little away to lower income families? Or is socialism only good for you when you arent losing out through it?

Thatcher was anti Federalist europe, she saw no problem with ties with Europe she just wanted Europe to be fair in its treatment of all european states not just for the benefit of the French and Germans. An example would be the fight over the CAP(Common Agricultural Policy) and the British Rebate. A rebate that the great benevolent Blair gave away a few short years ago.

In her Bruges speech which funnily enough was used by phoney Tony. Her speech was far less anti-European than it is now regularly portrayed and many of her concerns about the creation of an over arching European superstate have been accepted not only by the Labour party but by other EU states. She spoke about creating a "family of nations, understanding each other better, appreciating each other more, doing more together but relishing our national identity no less than our common European endeavour" - hardly the anti-European rant it is often now claimed to have been. Thats FACT.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

^^^FICTION^^^

Hate to say this but if you are middle income, wouldnt it appeal to your socialist leanings to give a little away to lower income families? Or is socialism only good for you when you arent losing out through it?

Thatcher was anti Federalist europe, she saw no problem with ties with Europe she just wanted Europe to be fair in its treatment of all european states not just for the benefit of the French and Germans. An example would be the fight over the CAP(Common Agricultural Policy) and the British Rebate. A rebate that the great benevolent Blair gave away a few short years ago.

In her Bruges speech which funnily enough was used by phoney Tony. Her speech was far less anti-European than it is now regularly portrayed and many of her concerns about the creation of an over arching European superstate have been accepted not only by the Labour party but by other EU states. She spoke about creating a "family of nations, understanding each other better, appreciating each other more, doing more together but relishing our national identity no less than our common European endeavour" - hardly the anti-European rant it is often now claimed to have been. Thats FACT.

yeh Im happy to pay taxes to help those less fortunate but not when people at the top are creaming off the rest of us and then getting us to pick up the tab when the greed game ****s up and not when theyre plannin inheritance tax breaks for millionaires....no Im not happy about that....and please you think Maggie would have gone for the working time directives gimme a break!

[Mikel]

Originally Posted by Tom

only female Prime Minister. Coincidence?

whos that woman?
she looks... interesting

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

yeh Im happy to pay taxes to help those less fortunate but not when people at the top are creaming off the rest of us and then getting us to pick up the tab and not when theyre plannin inheritance tax breaks for millionaires....no Im not happy about that....and please you think Maggie would have gone for the working time directives gimme a break!

The Working Time Regulations (1998 amd 2003) implemented the European Working Time Directive into GB law. They came from Europe, they werent a statute drawn up by the Labour Party for the benefit of the workers. Due to the fact that we signed over certain powers to Europe under the various European Treaties since 1973, the European Commision decides most of our Health and Safety Laws.

If she was still in power and we were signed into Europe to the same state as we are under labour then she would have had to accept and implement them.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

The Working Time Regulations (1998 amd 2003) implemented the European Working Time Directive into GB law. They came from Europe, they werent a statute drawn up by the Labour Party for the benefit of the workers. Due to the fact that we signed over certain powers to Europe under the various European Treaties since 1973, the European Commision decides most of our Health and Safety Laws.

If she was still in power and we were signed into Europe to the same state as we are under labour then she would have had to accept and implement them.

She'd have done her damnedest not to fo sho mo fo

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

She'd have done her damnedest not to fo sho mo fo

Thats really immaterial isn't it, given that she is not in charge of the conservative party, nor are they currently in power?

Of course I am a mother fucker, I have got several children. All of them mine, except the smallest. I am fostering her for Satan.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Originally Posted by Shasown

Thats really immaterial isn't it, given that she is not in charge of the conservative party, nor are they currently in power?

Of course I am a mother fucker, I have got several children. All of them mine, except the smallest. I am fostering her for Satan.

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Given that most Health and Safety Regulations were actually enacted during the Thatcher (1979-90) and Major(1990-1997) governments, and have simply been amended or added to since then I think its a fair bet that she would have adopted the European Working Time Directives in probably the same manner and time frame as labour did.

[NettoSuperstar!]

Hehe health and safety regulations! Thatcher and workers rights just dont go together in the same sentence...two words POLL and TAX now bugger off yer filthy Thatcherite lol

[Shasown]

Originally Posted by NettoSuperstar!

Hehe health and safety regulations! Thatcher and workers rights just dont go together in the same sentence...two words POLL and TAX now bugger off yer filthy Thatcherite lol

Thats the best arguement you have?

Ah well, I would have thought your time at the local tech college would have taught you to open your eyes, ears and mind, just shows ignorance is rife even in middle income England.

Good to see you come up to the required standard for Tony's edukashun policy.