[cc100]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes

Take a look at the amount of threads that have been posted on this section of the forum - there's even a thread about them buying a cup of coffee. If you can't see why some would find that facile, then nothing I say in reply to your post is going to penetrate. I'm a fan of BB, and as such find the fact that it has been hijacked by the most vacuous people imaginable extremely annoying. So as such, replying to threads about them is entirely justified. A forum is about exchanging opinions, not about the blind leading the blind. As a mod, that's something I would've expected you to appreciate.

That's debatable. The blanket coverage is such that it's not practical to go with an alternative at the moment, because there really isn't any. I enjoy flicking through magazines as much as anyone else, but I'd rather not have to encounter these pointless individuals every other page.

Jade was quite entertaining on Davina's chat show last week. At least she's done well on her own merit, and now runs her own business, too. She still has a tendency to spout nonsense, but she's far more deserving of celebrity status than Chantelle will ever be - and ditto Kerry Katona.

No other winner of BB has had anything like this amount of attention. There's a difference between coverage and overkill, after all. As for having 'her own show', it's essentially Davina's Streetmate with a few frills added here and there. And the fact that she's making such an inept job of it on a minority channel with a tiny audience would suggest that she's not making quite as much 'effort' as you suggest. She's merely taking the pay-cheque that's been offered - she didn't come up with the format of the show, and you won't find her name in the production credits for that matter, either. Celebrity should have creativity, talent and ability as its bedrock, but Chantelle doesn't possess any of those qualities.

The usage of the term suggests that you're of a more senior generation, although I seem to recall you've mentioned your age here before, and you're not too far from Preston's age yourself. Therefore, it is indeed questionable.

LOL! That's really quite pathetic! You don't like the fact that anyone else has a valid point that differs from your own, so you accuse them of looking for an argument! What you really mean, of course, is that it's easier to make fatuous accusations than it is to construct a reasoned, rational point of view. I suggest you look at your link once again, and see whom it really applies to.

Why would I be jealous of your perception of happiness? Mine is entirely different to a candy floss world of deception and greed, but if that's what you enjoy, then you're welcome to it.

See, there you go again. Nobody is saying that you're not entitled to your opinion, yet you quite willingly make ludicrous accusations suggesting that people are being argumentative, just because they disagree with you. Why not try and construct a viable rebuttal, rather than trying to claim some sort of non-existent moral high ground?

Yeah, Im 24 the same as Preston. The word 'kids' was really thrown in casually- dont fret over that. Its hadrly worth it.

I just its a bit of an elaborate plan to stage a wedding just to get a bit of cash. Im really going on the experience of Helen and Paul from BB2. They were slated constantly and the majority of the press (apart from Heat), gave them 3 months- theyve now been together 5 years!

Maybe Ill be proved wrong, but I just like a bit of romance.

Dont be so cynical and cold.

[James]

Hopefully someone will say the words 'I think we'll just need to agree to disagree' soon.

Yeah?

[CharlotteSometimes]

Originally posted by cc100

Yeah, I'm 24 the same as Preston. The word 'kids' was really thrown in casually- dont fret over that. Its hadrly worth it.

I just its a bit of an elaborate plan to stage a wedding just to get a bit of cash. I'm really going on the experience of Helen and Paul from BB2. They were slated constantly and the majority of the press (apart from Heat), gave them 3 months- theyve now been together 5 years!

Maybe Ill be proved wrong, but I just like a bit of romance.

Dont be so cynical and cold.

I'm not 'fretting' at all, I just found it highly amusing.

But there's really no comparison. Helen was a lovely girl with no sides to her. Chantelle seemed to be the same at first, but as time went on, the fact that she's really just a money-grabbing bimbo became more and more obvious. Paul again had no sides to him, and was already financially secure, in any case. Preston is a player, and he'll play anyone, anything, or indeed any situation for his own personal gain. So again, there's really no comparison. And as I think Rach has pointed out several times elsewhere on this forum, they didn't really sell-out - at least to nothing like the degree that Chantelle and Preston have. They fell in love with each other, not with cash, material gain and celebrity status.

That all depends on how long the gravy train runs for. And romance is fine, when it's real.

I'd rather be cynical and form my own opinions, rather than have them dictated to me by the media, thanks all the same.

[rachb]

I'm not going to argue with you Charlottesometimes but all I will say is you obviously weren't around to see this forum when Helen and Paul were first together
You think you're fed up of the threads on Chantelle & Preston but I can tell you you'd have been hard pushed to find a thread that didn't talk about Helen and Paul.
Some of us 5 years on still look out for any news on them so be warned you might be in for a long battle with Chantelle & Preston.
Now onto your other point as a 'mod' I think I have as much right to express my opinion as you have yours.I was not telling you which threads to post in simply saying that I'd seen this happening alot over different forums.I just couldn't make sense of the fact that people that don't enjoy reading about them would want to read a thread about them getting engaged.I'm not telling you not to read it or not to post in it,I'm just saying if I were you I'd want to avoid the threads how ever many there are.
I have said before on previous threads that I respect your opinion as I do everyone on the forum.
You of course have the right to disagree with those that like certain housemates it wouldn't be an interesting forum if we all liked the same people,but please let people enjoy the threads about the housemates they like and you enjoy yours

[Ruth]

When I heard they were getting engaged, I did think it would all come to grief. I didn't think for one minute - and still don't - that it is a publicity stunt. But the fact that Preston has now been engaged to three different girls does not bode well. I'm not a big fan of either of them - BUT I have nothing against either of them either, and I wish them well for the future, and hope that they are happy together.

I wasn't around here when Helen and Paul got together, but I do remember all the press speculation about them, and nobody (in the press I mean) seemed to want to believe that they could be for real. Every story was either saying that Paul would dump Helen as soon as she got out of the house, or vice versa, or that either or both of them were just doing it for a publicity stunt. I'm glad the papers were proved wrong about them.

[cc100]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
I'm not 'fretting' at all, I just found it highly amusing.

But there's really no comparison. Helen was a lovely girl with no sides to her. Chantelle seemed to be the same at first, but as time went on, the fact that she's really just a money-grabbing bimbo became more and more obvious. Paul again had no sides to him, and was already financially secure, in any case. Preston is a player, and he'll play anyone, anything, or indeed any situation for his own personal gain. So again, there's really no comparison. And as I think Rach has pointed out several times elsewhere on this forum, they didn't really sell-out - at least to nothing like the degree that Chantelle and Preston have. They fell in love with each other, not with cash, material gain and celebrity status.

That all depends on how long the gravy train runs for. And romance is fine, when it's real.

I'd rather be cynical and form my own opinions, rather than have them dictated to me by the media, thanks all the same.

Well, Im glad we agree on Helen and Paul being decent, dare I say, kids. You are correct in saying they were honest and straightforward people who genuinely fell in love and, presumably are still happy together.

I just prefer to see the best in people, so Im happy for Chantelle and Preston, even though they arent in the same league as Helen and Paul in our affections on this board(certainly amongst the veterans on here).

I also think that Preston was pretty well off before hand, with a well-to-do family, and his own flat by the age of 24.

[BusyBee]

Well CC as one of the 'veterans' on here, I wish Chantelle and Preston luck. As Rach says - anyone who thinks the comments on those two are over the top should go back a few years when every other thread was about Helen and Paul. They really had a tough time of it from the press who tried to break them up at every opportunity. Still they proved the critics wrong. Lets hope that Preston and Chantelle do so too.

However Preston seems to get engaged at the drop of a hat doesnt he? They are both young, havent known one another for very long and Chantelle, in particular, is living a life she never thought possible. BB relationships that last seem to be those that go the 'little publicity' route rather than the lets spread it over every magazine possible.

I'll compare them with Helen and Paul when they have been together for almost five years. Marry in haste, repent in leisure - hope that isnt something that will be used to describe Chantelle and Preston in the future. When in the house it was obvious there was something between them let's hope it does last.

[cc100]

Well said there Busy Bee.

[Ig]

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Take a look at the amount of threads that have been posted on this section of the forum - there's even a thread about them buying a cup of coffee. If you can't see why some would find that facile, then nothing I say in reply to your post is going to penetrate.

The point being, if you find the subject matter of certain threads facile, give them a miss. It's really that simple. Does that sound too condescending? Good, because so does "then nothing I say in reply to your post is going to penetrate"

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimesI'm a fan of BB, and as such find the fact that it has been hijacked by the most vacuous people imaginable extremely annoying. So as such, replying to threads about them is entirely justified. A forum is about exchanging opinions, not about the blind leading the blind. As a mod, that's something I would've expected you to appreciate.

Exactly the same thing could be said of your hijacking of this thread and using it as an excuse to criticise and belittle some long-serving and respected members who have obviously irritated you. Yes, a forum is about exchanging opinions, but with the attitude you have displayed in this thread you will very soon be talking to yourself. Just as you have taken exception to an imagined instruction not to read or post in certain threads, I have taken exception to you telling all and sundry what they can and cannot discuss. It's your choice not to read threads which you know are going to annoy you. I reiterate - it's really that simple.

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
Jade was quite entertaining on Davina's chat show last week. At least she's done well on her own merit, and now runs her own business, too. She still has a tendency to spout nonsense, but she's far more deserving of celebrity status than Chantelle will ever be - and ditto Kerry Katona.

And what "merit" would that be? The press have allowed her to exploit their guilt at the treatment they gave her during BB3. They could just as soon take it all away again when they decide en masse they've made sufficient amends. As for her "own show" - see your comments about Chantelle's "own show". The same argument could apply there - although I confess I've never actually checked to see if Jade's name appears in any of the production credits. Some arguments are just too vapid and pointless for me to bother "constructing a viable rebuttal" I'm afraid. Life's too short.

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimesCelebrity should have creativity, talent and ability as its bedrock, but Chantelle doesn't possess any of those qualities.

You are contradicting yourself. You cite Jade as an example of someone who has done well "on her own merit", yet their circumstances are virtually the same apart from Chantelle actually being a BB WINNER. Everything Jade has done has been reality-tv based, whereas Chantelle is presenting her own show. Badly, I agree, but that isn't really the point when comparing her to Jade who has never done any paid tv work.

Originally posted by CharlotteSometimes
LOL! That's really quite pathetic! You don't like the fact that anyone else has a valid point that differs from your own, so you accuse them of looking for an argument! What you really mean, of course, is that it's easier to make fatuous accusations than it is to construct a reasoned, rational point of view. I suggest you look at your link once again, and see whom it really applies to.

Why would I be jealous of your perception of happiness? Mine is entirely different to a candy floss world of deception and greed, but if that's what you enjoy, then you're welcome to it.

See, there you go again. Nobody is saying that you're not entitled to your opinion, yet you quite willingly make ludicrous accusations suggesting that people are being argumentative, just because they disagree with you. Why not try and construct a viable rebuttal, rather than trying to claim some sort of non-existent moral high ground?

At the risk of being fatuous - "pot ... kettle ...."

One last point - BB has been hijacked by vacuous people? Derek Quinnell! I've heard some pretentious claptrap in my time, but that has to be the funniest comment yet! Wake up and smell the Fair Trade Rich Roast lovey - we're talking Endemol, not Chekov!

And now to my own views on the engagement. I thought the relationship in the house was genuine and that there could easily have been a romance if not for Preston's girlfriend. When I heard he had got engaged to Camille I was pleased, but with a tinge of disappointment that the BB romance was all in my head. It's all very quick and too much in the public eye for my liking, but for me the look on Preston's face at the end of CBB when he was watching Chantelle waving at the crowd on the catwalk said it all. We call it "hiraeth" in these yer parts!! It absolutely cannot be faked. Good luck to them, I hope it lasts, and if it doesn't, I hope they'll have made such an obscene amount of money it will help to heal their broken hearts. So there. Yah boo sucks. End of.


[/facile][/vacuous][/fatuous]

[chick]

WOW,WOW ,WOW .

[cc100]

Great post there Ig, couldnt agree more.

Some believe them, some dont- thats ok.

Lets hope thats the end of it.

[Lance]

It's good to see that they are still together after a lot of pesimism from some people.

I hope it lasts for them forever.

[cc100]

Well said Lance.

I think they'll be alright.

[booty-full]

I am sorry but it disturbs me a little that the general public could have been so supportive straight away of a relationship that started whilst Preston was in a relationship....and then they got engaged just a short while after he split from his OTHER fiancee Camille (a much better catch). Then Chantelle gets her own dating show to help girls find love - it should say to teach girls how to steal another's man!!!
I find it hard to condone such a thing! Morals guys!!

[Princess]

Originally posted by booty-full
I am sorry but it disturbs me a little that the general public could have been so supportive straight away of a relationship that started whilst Preston was in a relationship....and then they got engaged just a short while after he split from his OTHER fiancee Camille (a much better catch). Then Chantelle gets her own dating show to help girls find love - it should say to teach girls how to steal another's man!!!
I find it hard to condone such a thing! Morals guys!!

For one it did not start while he was still going out with Camille. They spilt up before him and Chantelle got together.He proposed to Camille the night BB finished as a spur of the moment thing anyway. They decided it wasn't right. And then after all that him and Chantelle got together. I think he and Chantelle would have got engaged eventually anyway so why wait if it felt right.And Chantelle's show was work nothing really to do with her or Preston.

[Bells]

No surprise there really. Hope it all works out!