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InOne · 27-02-2010, 12:58 AM

Yes of course Jesus had siblings, most famous James.

Patrick · 27-02-2010, 01:16 AM

If hes real, his mother was a slag who got herself banged up at the age of 14, so 1 wasnt enough for her?

Jesus, shes been busy.

Jessica. · 27-02-2010, 01:25 AM

Why wouldn't he. Mary married Joseph after GOD gave her JESUS. Women usually had quite a few children back then. Gabriel didn't say she would only have one child. More than likely JESUS did have brothers and sisters.

InOne · 27-02-2010, 01:28 AM

I guess him having siblings takes away his divinity, which makes sense cos he had none anyway!!

Dr.Gonzo · 27-02-2010, 08:19 AM

Well if he did they'd only be his half brothers/sisters, seeing as Mary cheated on Joseph with God to make lil baby Jesus. After seeing that train wreck of a marriage, it's no wonder the bearded one turned gay.

supernoodles! · 27-02-2010, 10:43 AM

Dunno.The whole Jesus/God/Christianity thing has just been blown way out of proportion anyway.Its just some old wives tale.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 01:08 PM

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Dunno.The whole Jesus/God/Christianity thing has just been blown way out of proportion anyway.Its just some old wives tale.

Yes. 2000 odd years or hyperbole..

arista · 27-02-2010, 01:19 PM

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I had a holy related dream last night, possibly the only holy one ive had. I was walking to college and theres this house with like 3 floors i always walk passed in real life. In my dream, in the top window (i think its the attic), i saw Mary, and she had her hands in a praying sign, waved at me, and held a picture of an angel. The thing is, next to her, there was a baby in a cot, and it wasnt Jesus.

It was strange.

May have been Baby Simon Cowell Jr.

In the Media gets into your mind
ass well as un well folks on Facebook.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

I guess him having siblings takes away his divinity, which makes sense cos he had none anyway!!

Your constant need to remind yourself of what you have faith in personally belies the confidence in your verity.

InOne · 27-02-2010, 01:46 PM

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Your constant need to remind yourself of what you have faith in personally belies the confidence in your verity.

It's just a point, you asked the question I answered it.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by InOne

It's just a point, you asked the question I answered it.

tiresome

Dr.Gonzo · 27-02-2010, 02:03 PM

Shasown · 27-02-2010, 03:28 PM

I dont think he did, well not by Mary that is, maybe step brothers from Joseph, in the sparse narratives from his early life it doesnt mention them.

All the people named as his brothers and sisters are at other times in the New Testament named as having some other person as their mother.

It is possible Joseph died while Jesus was still relatively young, in his early teens. He and Mary could have lived with relatives of either her or Joseph as part of an extended family, the other children in this extended family would then have been seen as being his brothers and sisters. A fairly common practice in that particular culture.

InOne · 27-02-2010, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Shasown

I dont think he did, well not by Mary that is, maybe step brothers from Joseph, in the sparse narratives from his early life it doesnt mention them.

All the people named as his brothers and sisters are at other times in the New Testament named as having some other person as their mother.

It is possible Joseph died while Jesus was still relatively young, in his early teens. He and Mary could have lived with relatives of either her or Joseph as part of an extended family, the other children in this extended family would then have been seen as being his brothers and sisters. A fairly common practice in that particular culture.

Ahhh yeah, there is a gap of like 15 years or something where it says nothing about his life, right?

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 03:39 PM

Matthew 12:46-47
Mark 3:31-32; 6:3
Luke 8:19-20
John 2:12; 7:3-5
Acts 1:14
1 Corinthians 9:5
Galatians 1:19

Shasown · 27-02-2010, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Matthew 12:46-47
Mark 3:31-32; 6:3
Luke 8:19-20
John 2:12; 7:3-5
Acts 1:14
1 Corinthians 9:5
Galatians 1:19

I am not disputing the fact they were called brothers, however look through the new testament and see how many times Jesus when addressing the apostles calls them brother. Does the word brother mean just that or does it mean relative in part of an extended family, like half brother or even cousin. (If Joseph had died before Jesus was able to look after his mother under Mosaic Law relatives were duty bound to take in Jesus and Mary and look after them as their own). Or even advocates of the same belief/social group.

Also take a peep at Matt 27:56 or Mark 6:3 and 15:40 for James and Joses.

There is no proof they were sons of Joseph and Mary. It is a belief contrary to the RC, Eastern Orthodox, Muslim and lots of Protestant Faiths. (Luther, Calvin even Wesley wrote in the defence of the perpetual virginity of Mary).

The arguement you are following is thus, it calls them brother so they must have been his brothers. Given you are using the new testament as evidence. The New Testament was gathered and put together, then guarded by the early christian church, what was to become the Catholic Church, which disputes the fact of a bloodline from Joseph and Mary. Are you saying they got these writings and established a belief that argues counter to the books on which it is based.

Did they change the Gospels during transcription (either by redaction or deliberately) to remove any history of his blood family? If so doesnt that undermine belief in the Gospels as a whole?

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 04:10 PM

Proper interpretation precludes this pretext. There is no biblical precedent for rendering the Greek word adelphos (brother) as cousin. If the NT writers had wanted us to read cousin they would have used the word anepsios.

InOne · 27-02-2010, 04:15 PM

Nobody can intepret the Bible the right way.

Crimson Dynamo · 27-02-2010, 04:16 PM

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Nobody can intepret the Bible the right way.

what is the right way?

InOne · 27-02-2010, 04:19 PM

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what is the right way?

My whole point lol

Shasown · 27-02-2010, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Proper interpretation precludes this pretext. There is no biblical precedent for rendering the Greek word adelphos (brother) as cousin. If the NT writers had wanted us to read cousin they would have used the word anepsios.

You are missing the point, on that. If Joseph had died before Jesus was able to take care of Mary they would have been adopted into a relatives family and would have been treated as part of that family to all intents and purposes, even under the eyes of the law(Mosaic), cousins would have been treated as brothers. (This included inheritance from the adoptive uncle's estate).

Given that the Catholic Church both Roman and Eastern Orthodox in the early days wrote the bloody Gospels etc, I leave explanations to them and interpretations to those faiths that disagree with their teachings.