[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by Smithy

A standing Ovation at American Idol wow she must be good, I don't think they ever give anyone standing ovations on it.

sure as hell didn't give GaGa one.

[Shaun]

Smithy you're like one of those irritating little stans that's hopelessly blinded by their preferred artist.

Face it, even if she IS great, it's far too early to say.

[Firewire]

This is like saying Robbie Williams is better than Elvis.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Smithy

45 million records over more than a decade, GaGa is almost at half than that in 2 years. IDK wth your on about in the second half of that sentence, so I'll move on


Legendtina I could post a load of pictures which could suggest Christina has copied GaGa but it wouldn't prove anything, they're just CHANCE SIMILARITIES (Harry)

Just deal with it, Lady Gaga copies Madonna.
FACT

Sign Of The Times.

[InOne]

Rihanna or Beyonce?

[MrGaryy]

Originally Posted by InOne

Rihanna or Beyonce?

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

[Firewire]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

Agreed.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

oh sweetie, bow out before you embarrass yourself further. Look around, you're losing this debate. badly.


And I do beg your pardon for my typo of thirty. Now run along sweetie, classics such as Summerboy and Teeth are waiting for you xo.

And flops such as NMT and Woohoo are waiting for you

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

sure as hell didn't give GaGa one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATqdbFkqk2U Think you'll find they did

Originally Posted by Shaun

Smithy you're like one of those irritating little stans that's hopelessly blinded by their preferred artist.

Face it, even if she IS great, it's far too early to say.

She is my preferred artist but I am easily able to criticize her work, and at least Im like a stan not actually one

[MrGaryy]

yeah smithy, even you couldn't stan for a hermie mess.

[Smithy]

wow Gary you clearly thought that one out kudos to you

[Callum]

I love Gaga but I do agree she has copied Madonna in the past. It's not a bad thing, it's just when people say she's original, technically speaking she's not so authentic because she uses other peoples ideas.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

they're more R'n'B really. but out of those two - RIHANNA.

These days R'n'B pretty much is pop really

[Vladimir]

Originally Posted by InOne

Rihanna or Beyonce?

Rihanna, my fave singer. She's one of the most successful R'n'B/pop singers of today, and her latest album is a masterpiece.


And I think that GaGa's trying to have music videos 'with a message', because her music has no message.

[Ross]

Britney Spears.

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by Smithy

She doesn't rip them off people just point out the most stupid things to detract from her achievements

Spoiler:

Lady GaGa, a known provocateur, has done it again. She became an icon through her music, fashion, and videos, but what many fail to realize and what few succeed in seeing is the artistic vision and the impacting message behind her every move. Spawning from Just Dance to Love Game to Paparazzi and now to Alejandro, each of her videos has an underlying message that people, for whatever reason, only feign to realize once its been told to them. While she was quoted for dedicating her newest video, Alejandro, to the gay community, it surprised me to see that it was less of a cursory nod and was instead a ritualistic tribute to the culture we live in today; tying in government, religion, and the social stigma still deeply embedded into the gay culture.

The video begins provocatively with a man in heels and fishnets - a foreshadowing technique to show what the video is ultimately about. It should be noted that as the soldiers first enter, their stance is powerful, demanding, and intimidating. There are even robust allusions to the Nazi regime. It then begins to establish the roles of a woman and the roles of a man as defined by classic interpretations of gender: GaGa playing the role of a forlorn woman preceding a coffin, men playing the role of soldiers - perhaps the most masculine occupation in the world. But slowly, through the progression of events, the roles are flipped. Gender becomes erroneous and subsidiary to the idea that we are defined by our soul, not by our body.

Unisexuality becomes ubiquitous marked most especially by the bowl haircut, a fashion that both men and women can equally sport. And it is through this vision of unisexuality comes the idea of uniformity and egalitarianism in a world where, while we claim to have modernized, is still addled by the conflicts of gender issues. GaGa uses this ideal of an equal and shared society by placing women in the seat of power, and dressing men in high heels, fishnet stockings, and spanks yet still portraying them as an Adonis figure.

Later on in the video GaGa is seen with a bra fashioned out of machine gun shafts, and while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. Then, in a sequence where GaGa sports a pant suit, the men come marching out with dignity in every stride like the beginning, but this time with a feminine flair, as if they were on a runway. Juxtaposing that with their original entrance begins to unfold this degradation of the idea of what is male and what is female. And in that light, it comically satirizes the fact that military groups haze homosexuals, and were even targeted and killed by Nazi hands. It’s this twisted play on gender and sexuality that makes Alejandro a social message to the masses.

But essentially, where could these thoughts of sexuality and gender even spawn from? Our world is so deeply rooted in dogmatic traditions, that sometimes we fail to realize that it is in religion, most especially Catholicism, where these conflicts first begin. Adam, as the first man made, was fashioned and molded in the image of God, which ultimately leads us, as followers of the holy word, to believe that God is man. And as a MAN of power, he is the alpha. He is the omega. Signifying that anything less than a man, for example a homosexual or a woman, is immediately cast away as irrevocably useless. This idea of religion imposing its ideals and controlling us is exemplified clearly within the first minute of the video where you see a soldier with a golden gun surrounded by wires; an obvious and perhaps blatant message that we are all just puppets of God.

Lady GaGa, however, can’t leave it at just that. While her first sentence may establish the tone of God and religion, gender and sex, she, as a visionary of our generation, toys with this idea, plays with it, and essentially comes out with this subtle, yet brilliant message.

She sets up multiple characters in the video, each one with a purpose: a tyrant, a widow, a nun, a priest, a rebel, and finally, and most importantly, a human being. As mentioned before, the tyrant represents government, politics, and modern society. The widow is the tragic, mourning woman, perhaps a simple glance to the realities of war. However, it’s through the other four symbols does her story and her sermon come to life. A nun is a quintessential figure of maternity, sacrificing ones womb and God-given ability to create life for a devout following and birthing of religion. She is shown praying and then symbolically swallowing a rosary into her throat. While this can be interpreted many ways, I think we can all agree that it’s really quite simple: she is swallowing religion, her beliefs, and what she was raised to be in order to liberate herself and her mind to a more global way of thinking. By swallowing one’s religion it is not a blasphemous act of shutting religion away, but rather accepting it into one’s heart and internalizing the purest message. Allowing our body to sift through the inequities and inevitably yielding the most virgin of attitudes and preaching only of what is truly important: love. The Bible may say being gay is wrong, but isn’t its ultimate message it preaches love? Love which transcends the borders of time constriction unlike the medieval thought of sexuality.

They are then seen stripping and disrobing GaGa dressed as a cardinal priest with red being the only prevalent color in the entire video. This action of pulling apart and eradicating her clothing to expose her to the world serves many purposes and to choose just one is ignorant. Perhaps it’s a message to reveal yourself to the world, to make yourself vulnerable to the thought and philosophy of others. Perhaps it’s a violent urge to accept yourself as you are and that there is nothing inherently wrong with you. Perhaps it’s another message about religion, and that by stripping it and tearing it apart, you are left more holy than when you began. Perhaps it’s all of it and none of it. But the fact that she is covered by the hands of, well, let’s face it, obvious homosexuals, is enough of a message for me.

There is a sequence within the video that I first claimed to be disjointed and completely irrelevant upon first watching it. You can definitely quote me now that although musically lacking, this clip is important in the overall plot. She repeats the chorus “Alejandro” over and over again in a hypnotic fashion and is seen wearing a leather jacket. This is the rebel. This chant of “Alejandro” is like a call to arms, and then showing clips of revolt and terror only fortifies her message that as a society we must fight for change. We must fight for equality, because even though it may seem as if we have changed, there’s still a large majority within the world with archaic points of view.

Which leaves us finally with GaGa as a human being. In this look, she is androgynous. She is neither male, nor female. Her message of equality has transcended and morphed into simply being, existing, living.

Regardless, there’s so much more that I could extend on, and dig even deeper, but it seems that doing so would essentially destroy the entire piece of art. We may try to excavate, discover, and understand, but perhaps it’s
best to simply allow it to exist and keep the meaning to ourselves. Because no matter how far you go, I wouldn’t doubt that GaGa has gone further.

You don't actually take this rubbish seriously, do you?

[Braden]

Madonna is the dogs bollocks.

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Braden

Madonna is the dogs bollocks.

No she isnt

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Harry!

No she isnt

When someone says it's the dogs bollocks they mean that it's the best it can be.

[Braden]

Originally Posted by Smithy

When someone says it's the dogs bollocks they mean that it's the best it can be.

Thank you Smithy

Where have you been Harry? Have you never heard someone say that expression?

[Harry!]

Originally Posted by Braden

Thank you Smithy

Where have you been Harry? Have you never heard someone say that expression?

I have never heard that expression no.

[Harry!]

Oh my gosh look what I found...

Youtube video

[Shaun]

pmsl Harry. Let's see the GaGa fans react to that with all the "OMG JUST A COINCIDENCE!"s they accused Xtina fans of.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by MrGaryy

Who is it? The 00's had Britney and Christina [and Jessica for a period]. But who takes the throne as the next queen of teen?

before anyone say's GaGa, she ain't no Britney/Christina so ****. Ke$ha is too much of a hot mess to be in that sort of position. I personally think, if she continues in music, Miley Cyrus has the potential to be as huge as the aforementioned Britney/Christina's. I mean Can't Be Tamed reeks of Dirrty/Slave 4 U. Will she follow the same career pattern? She's actually a lot more talented than Britney, but her Hannah Montana image might be a hindrance.

thoughts?

You're joking? The likes of Britney & Christina are just manufactured pop stars used to sell songs written by other people. Lady gaga may not be everybody's cup of tea but at least she writes and produces all her own songs! I'm sure I read somewhere that she even choreographs her own stage shows.. In my opinion Lady Gaga is probably one of the most talented females of her genre this century..
Oh and she has written songs for the likes of Britney before too..
Definitely the more talented one

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Harry!

Oh my gosh look what I found...

Youtube video

Im sorry but rofl at how pathetic some of them are, Madonna answers a phone and so does GaGa OMFG she obviously compied her!!!! errm no the freaking song is called telephone. Some of them are off tours aswell so If Gaga hasn't seen the tour it is obviously just similarity. The cone bra was pretty poor attempt at trying to say she copied her especially when that had already been cleared up while it seems like a healthy nod to Madonna’s cone bra in Vogue, there are more powerful and obvious themes: a tool of masculinity only made to support a woman. The dancing is similar because GaGa has said in numerous interviews that the video pays homage to vogue, but you clearly didn't read the review and just went off to find a random video.

Plus idc why you decided to bring it back up, it seems a rather sad thing to do.

[Smithy]

Originally Posted by Shaun

pmsl Harry. Let's see the GaGa fans react to that with all the "OMG JUST A COINCIDENCE!"s they accused Xtina fans of.

I have said in the Xtina thread that people have to be pretty sad to say that she's copying GaGa and that they're nothing more than coincidences.