[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He does care about other people though,I think he should have done the punishment,but it was also good entertainment to see him buck the trend,it's not as though anything was a matter of life or death,BB would never see them truly suffer,Ben knows that and BB is not all about tasks it's about entertainment and imo he has provided that,and although people think he is selfish and uncaring,I would imagine he is a good friend on the outside,don't forget NONE of these people can be really friends yet.It is so nice how he forgives the very people who are trying to bring him down all the time a lesser man would have kicked off at them long before now,so I am sorry if people think my opinion is wrong,but I really like him and have seen nothing to change my mind,yet.As an aside I really did not like him on his arrival.

Fair enough, you are entitled to your opinion, I wasn't having a go at you, you know, I just disagreed with what you said is all! Peoples opinions on the HMs depend on what personality traits bother them the most anyway, all the HMs have bad ones it just depends on which ones annoy you most I suppose, I personally hate selfishness which is why I've been turned off Ben more than the others

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by vesavius

The thing, I think, is that the entrenched Ben supporter probably dosent even really think this... and probably were not saying it a while back.

Ben though has, repeatedly, demonstrated his true nature and the fanboi can't explain it away or condone it so they have come up with the 'he's a pr1ck but he is an honest pr1ck' defense stance.

They can no longer defend him morally or as the 'humble sweet honest' guy they used to, yet neither can they admit any flaws on his part because they percieve to do so would be weakness in the face of their 'enemies'.

So we now see this kind of weak defense because it is the only one they really have left :/

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

And as Ange so rightly pointed out he is not honest at all, he lied about tot asking him to take Shabbys hats to cover his arse, again reinforcing my opinion that he's selfish and is only looking out for himself!

I agree totally.

The problem is that BB isnt showing these events fully to the HL crowd so a lot of HL only viewers have a massively different view of him. If they had been honestly representing him there is every chance he would be the most hated HM since Nasty Nick.

That blatant self serving lie wasnt even shown being discovered, and thats far from the only one.

[ange7]

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world or agree with everything they say but because their fav is a laugh. They can over look the lies if they can't stand the other HMs enough. It's like the donkey vote at election where voters hate all the candidates. Right now Ben is getting them.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ange7

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world

You have misunderstood my point, but np it's cool.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by Niamhxo

Ben is an idiot as well though and I do think that JJ has a point, JJs problem is that he has very valid points usually but he's not the best for expressing them. He goes too far which in turn invalidates, the originally valid point, If you catch my drift!

I mean he is right, Ben is lazy and selfish, he isn't a team player. Yes everyone is an individual but not pulling your weight in a group situation is not a good trait to have.

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by ange7

Some people support HMs NOT because want to change the world or agree with everything they say but because their fav is a laugh. They can over look the lies if they can't stand the other HMs enough. It's like the donkey vote at election where voters hate all the candidates. Right now Ben is getting them.

you're right and that's ok too. It all boils down what each individual fan/voter finds irritating and what they don't. Like I said before, I don't like Ben cos I can't stand selfish people in real life and so that influences who I can't stand on BB

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by ange7

"With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them"
Nah I think that's wrong. He lied about what his task was. He said BB asked him to take Shabby's something or other. He lied because he feared the housemates reaction ... he does care what they think. Being shallow to the point a disability means he is all about appearances but is without substance, morals or even a backbone.

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.

you must have missed bens video, where he boasts/brags about enjoying manipulating people.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Eye_Spy

dont forget JJ is an aussie, and as he said last night, ben would have got his face smashed in thousands of times for being such a twat constantl in oz, its just the aussie way, were men are macho/loud/aggressive, and nancy boys like Ben get a good kicking.

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

[ange7]

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

Australia is a real country last time I checked!

[ange7]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

"Well thank God I live in England" lol
you should tour this stand up routine of yours.... ( but like you said ... not in OZ hehe)

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?

I personally don't think its acceptable to lie just because people would react badly to your intentional actions.

In fact, I think it's a weak pathetic way to approach life, and thats what I see everytime I look at Ben. Sure, he can be funny, I have always agreed with that, but i could never defend him on any other aspect of how he behaves.

[Eye_Spy]

Originally Posted by kazanne

Well thank God I live in England.and they say Ben doesn't live in the real world,lol

its just a clash of diffrent cultures, the aussie women are generally more macho as well than the brits.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by ange7

my point was more about why people like Ben ... not directed at anyone. Donkey vote refers to people who don't take BB that seriously and your not likely to get a reasoned debate out of them as to why Ben is NOT a douche bag hehe.

I get that, thats why it was NP.

[ange7]

Originally Posted by kazanne

He 'lied' about his task through fear of what the HM would say and do?Did you see the way they were with him in that first week?I'de have 'lied'too ,my point about him NOT being a liar is I don't think he is in his real life where he doesn't have that threat of strangers giving him hell for days on end.Your last paragraph I totally disagree with.

He lies because he looks out for number 1 ... 2 and 3 ...and they are all him. That you'd lie too wasn't really up for debate.

[Chels]

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Chels

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat.

Straight to the point and accurate, well done Chels!

[starry]

Originally Posted by kazanne

With Ben he really doesn't care if people like him or not and he doesn't try to make them.

He cares a huge amount, he's thinking about himself all the time.

[fruit_cake]

Ben looks after Ben.. nothing wrong with that, especially in a house full of vultures

[starry]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

Ben looks after Ben.. nothing wrong with that, especially in a house full of vultures

Yeh ok, but people shouldn't have double standards over that and sometimes I think they do.

[vesavius]

Originally Posted by Chels

In summary -
Ben's a two-faced, lying, snobby, inconsiderate, thoughtless, selfish, bitchy twat.

annnnndd..... Chels arrives

[fruit_cake]

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out.. with Ben you take him or leave him

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

he's not hiding his selfishness, at least people know where they stand with him. In a way, its quite a nice way to be.. better than being a manipulative character like Corin or Josie, who play at being so nice yet every now and again you see the real character come out

but that's just what you like/dislike in people though, me personally, I hate selfish people and I would rather a person who I have to live with in a fish bowl for weeks be fake and nice to me than be an honest selfish twat, but that's just me!