[Livia]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

I wouldn't have minded taking a punch from him, it might've made him see what a foolish thing he believes in. We were at a funeral reception by the way, my niece's. At the end of the night, he shook my hand, i noticed he'd had a word with his dad previous.

Nice moment you chose to make your point.

Enough. Life's too short not to have an 'ignore' list.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

No, its not about the human, its about what they do. Risking your life for £400 a week is ridiculous, hence the brainwashing that goes on to get them to do it.

You are sooo wrong! Not everyone is totally mercenary in their outlook - some do their jobs for other reasons other than money, or is that something totally beyond your comprehension? Things like job satisfaction and helping others come to mind!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

If he was on about now then I agree with him but I got the impression he was referring to WWII. I dont recall him mentioning America at all.

Ben didnt ,but he said we cannot go on policing the world and we cannot

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

Exposing what exactly? How can you show your relative so little respect just to score points in a discussion?

Exposing the falseness of the war. How mentally unstable does one have to be to believe that risking your life for £400 a week is ok, madness.

I would much prefer our troops patrol british streets catching illegals and other bad people, then i'd get something for the taxes i contribute.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ben didnt ,but he said we cannot go on policing the world and we cannot

He's right about that but he specifically mentioned WWII and the fact that we were not personally threatened.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

Exposing the falseness of the war. How mentally unstable does one have to be to believe that risking your life for £400 a week is ok, madness.

I would much prefer our troops patrol british streets catching illegals and other bad people, then i'd get something for the taxes i contribute.

Catching illegals? That says a lot about you if you think that's so important.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

I wouldn't have minded taking a punch from him, it might've made him see what a foolish thing he believes in. We were at a funeral reception by the way, my niece's. At the end of the night, he shook my hand, i noticed he'd had a word with his dad previous.

Maybe you made another ignorant comment that provoked him - sounds like a real possibility to me!

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by GiRTh

He's right about that but he specifically mentioned WWII and the fact that we were not personally threatened.

Ben reads ,Steve would struggle to

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by WOMBAI

You are sooo wrong! Not everyone is totally mercenary in their outlook - some do their jobs for other reasons other than money, or is that something totally beyond your comprehension? Things like job satisfaction and helping others come to mind!

The reports and personal expressions coming from soldiers in iraq/afghanistan are that they're risking their lives, yes, some think they're doing good, some have, but generally they're not.

I cannot think of one good thing the people in britain have gained from this.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Ben reads ,Steve would struggle to

Considering Ben reads you'd think he's be more intelligent but it just goes to show there are some thing you cant get from book learning.

[fruit_cake]

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

[BitterFruit]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

I am a MASSIVE supporter of each and every member of the armed forces ,but I agreed with Ben ,We need to stop policing the world ,enough soldiers have lost their lives on foreign soil

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Oh. My. God.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Tell that to the Taliban! Dictators would rule the world with no one to stand up to them!

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by fruit_cake

if there were no soldiers there'd be no wars!!

Due to human behaviour, we need them.

The first job of government is to protect the nations people, they're not doing this in iraq/afghanistan.

[Beetrum]

Originally Posted by Livia

Nice moment you chose to make your point.

Enough. Life's too short not to have an 'ignore' list.

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

The reports and personal expressions coming from soldiers in iraq/afghanistan are that they're risking their lives, yes, some think they're doing good, some have, but generally they're not.

I cannot think of one good thing the people in britain have gained from this.

As the Aunty of a serving soldier I totally agree with you ,iraq,Afghanistan wars have nothing whatsoever to do with terrorists ,its about OIL and 300 UK soldiers have died for it ,No more

[brian3]

Originally Posted by newspresenter

They think just because they 'fought for 'their' country', they're more entitled to an opinion than others, and have a better more informed opinion.

I have first hand experience of a brainwashed soldier relative who fought in Basra.

If what british soldiers do were that great, they wouldn't be earning a measely £400 a week.

If you ask me Ben is the brainwashed upper class god save our qeen a country toff.

[newspresenter]

Originally Posted by BitterFruit

you are right but I think he lost the arguement by including WWII into the mix.....we may not have fully realised it at the time but because of true evil of Nazism , WWII was probably the most moral and necessary war we have fought

Nazism was supported by Prescott Bush, then 'America' + Bush joined the war against Adolf, makes you wonder who the enemy is.

Also, Adolf often made the point that he loved the british.

Was 'nazism' organised to justify war?

[Mr XcX]

I thought Ben talked alot of BS. Steve was wrong though to say he insulted all the dead soldiers.

[WOMBAI]

Originally Posted by Beetrum

You and your stupid ignore list really need to go away. I'll be on that list with pride.

I think half the forum will be on there by the end of the series - she waves her ignore list around like a flag! Good luck to her! Ha, ha! Unfortunately she won't read this - as I'm already on there apparently! He,he!

[bansheewails]

I read books about serial killers, that does not mean that I am one or an expert on them. Ben assumes that Steve doesn't read and because of those assumptions thinks Steve's view is less valid than his own.

If ben did read about the causes of the war, he would know that Nevile failed in his attempt at peace with Hitler. Hitler was going to war no matter what and a treaty with britain wasn't going to stop him!

I happen to believe that the Iraq war was started illegally, on the whim of a US president who, lets face it, was a bit dim. But Ben has foot in mouth disease and should have put his view across more tactfully.

[chuff me dizzy]

Lets not forget Steve(Action Man/Gi Joe ) served a maximum of 2 years in the army

[MeMyselfAndI]

hes been slowly going down for me
i dislike him and almost hate him

[Toast]

Steve wasn't fighting for 'His' country, or anyone else's - he was in occupied territory, acting as a peace keeper between two opposing factions of society.