[Abhorsen]

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

[GypsyGoth]

I think he put on the weight after he got blown up.

And I think it depends how you categorise a hero, he is courageous to put his life on the line so others in society can enjoy freedom.

[flamingGalah!]

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by stoney

being prepared to stand up for your country and being prepared to put yourself in the situation where you can be blown to bits makes him , and every serving soldier, a war hero imo

something you will never understand tho

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When our children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.

[stoney]

using his lack of limbs and going round showing other amputees that there is still a life to live is a very good thing and very courageous imo.

still dont want him to win tho

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by flamingGalah!

I do agree to a certain extent that he isn't a hero... if a civilian gets blown up they are not a hero are they? He indeed is a victim, but I'm sure he has done heroic things...

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Which is why I said I'm sure he has done heroic things...

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

But don't guys join the army knowing the risk, the possibility that they might die or get wounded. So isn't the act of joining heroic?

Some join the army because the town they come from naturally has a course where their children go to the army, it is normal for them. Others because they have nothing else in life to do, some join the army with pure good intentions.

[Patrick]

Correct.

[stoney]

Originally Posted by Hero1

Depends really.

Going to fight in Iraq was about politics and corrupt oil barons, you would not believe the amount of resources are in Afghanistan and all the big business gone over there during this 8-9 year war.

I think Heroes save lives, not take lives and the amount of lives lost in Iraq and Afghanistan results in mass murder in my opinion.

WW2 was very different, literally "nearly" every war since has had a dodgy question mark over it.

When I children are young and do something bad as athe result of their friends telling them to do so, we ask, if they told you to jump of a bridge would you do it..must children usually say no. The weird thing is, our troops usually jump of that bridge with no questions asked to our corrupt politicians.

The truth is we have so much propaganda spun by our government about the troops, none of us are prepared to criticise the wars going on now, it is all about support the troops. Thus meaning we are really emotionally manipulated into supporting their bogus war.

But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

[ButterflyGirl]

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for. i think anyone that fights for thier country is brave and proud and if they have put thier life on the line to defend then they are heroic.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

As far as I'm concerned ALL soldiers are heroes -or do you expect them to put their lives on the line out of the goodness of their hearts and not be paid for it? It takes guts to be in the armed forces these days, and if you had any idea of what you're talking about as regards the IRA terrorism of 20 years ago, you would know that Steve was maimed in the line of duty, so he is a hero.

It is also heroic how he has managed to deal with it since it happened to him at the age of 19. Imagine having to readjust at that age to a life with such a disability. As to insulting him because he is fat, I wonder how nimble and fit you would be after 20 odd years with two prosthetic legs?

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by stoney

But you are getting the politics mixed up tho.

I will never forget nu liebore's hypocrasy and that war criminal Bliars lies that sent us to war.

But our serving soldiers have no choice but to fight in wars our govt send them into

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Why all the ******* about Steve being a war hero? There are plenty of people who have been blown up by bombs, that does not make them a hero, it makes them a victim.

Steve joined the army of his own free will, he got paid for it, they gave him a good life and a good living. That is NOT a hero. Even if he hadn't been bombed he would have been thrown out of the army for his fat arse, that weight would not be fit for the army.

Steve is milking it.

Sigh.

[Abhorsen]

Originally Posted by ButterflyGirl

What's his weight got to do with anything ,uncalled for.

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Hero1

War is politics, most wars are forumulated by central government, and the sheeps are sent out to kill, get killed and lose limbs for their gains.

Didn't take toothpick long to make a reappearance, did it.

[stoney]

yep war is politics and our soldiers are just the pawns of their govt.

Just Bliar's govt sent our troops to war using a lie that he should be hung for imo but instead he makes millions out of the oil companies that have benefitted from the war

[johnx]

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off the Govt. for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by johnx

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off them for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

Whereas, the IRA's actions were heroic?

These threads go too far. The people who sit, secure in their anonimity, and spout inflamatory things on subjects about which they obviously know nothing, do so because people fought and sometimes died for your freedom to do that.

Mods... is this, or is this not a Big Brother forum?

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by johnx

The war hero thing is over the top.Steves favourite song "The British Soldier" is about young working class lads joining the army to escape the dole cue to be sent to a conflict they knew and cared little about.British Govt. didnt consider it a war and we know the army used excessive force on ocassion.Some of their actions were far from heroic.The media want the people of the UK to worship the armed forces as it takes the heat off them for gettin involved in millitary adventures that are'nt popular with most of the public.

Eh?

Anyway I look at the police, nurses, doctors and firebrigade as more intelligent heroes out there.

People like Andre Agassi are true heroes, people who go out of their ways and do something to IMPROVES people's lives, start up academies and educated the poor and make a real difference to people lives.

How a parade of cluster bombs launched on residential area's are might to improve lives beggars belief.

[Hero1]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whereas, the IRA's actions were heroic?

These threads go too far. The people who sit, secure in their anonimity, and spout inflamatory things on subjects about which they obviously know nothing, do so because people fought and sometimes died for your freedom to do that.

Mods... is this, or is this not a Big Brother forum?

That is a bit offensive, aren't our soilders meant to be fighting for freddom of speech? Why then do you want to take it away from us.

[GypsyGoth]

Originally Posted by Abhorsen

Sooooo, it's OK to discuss endlessly the females HM weight, especially the stuff on the forum about Rachael and Josie, but oh no, not Steve, cos he's a war hero, blah blah blah.

Steve put himself in that BB house, so everything discussed is far game.

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

[walter]

people only make out hes a hero because he got blown up and has no legs and eye. had he come out of it fine and entered the house no one would be saying this and would be put up for nomination by now

[walter]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

Butterfly never suggested it was ok to discuss female HMs weight.

difference is steve knows hes fat as does everyone watching. Rachael however thought she was gods gift and people on here thought she wasn't fat when in actual fact she was . she looked more like venus williams