[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Or how about they get given an appropiate sentance, they can serve their time, and while they do that they can be rehabilitated so that they are no longer a threat to society. That's what should happen if you ask me, and they should not be released until they are no longer likely to reoffend.

they should never be released but we know life never means life so i say kill the scum.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Or how about they get given an appropiate sentance, they can serve their time, and while they do that they can be rehabilitated so that they are no longer a threat to society. That's what should happen if you ask me, and they should not be released until they are no longer likely to reoffend.

What,you mean like Jon venables was

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i may aswell not because the lefty brigade will class me as bad as them.

Who cares,be yourself,your as good as anyone else,better than some.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by kazanne

What,you mean like Jon venables was

No, Venables shouldnt have been released as soon as he was because it seems that he had not yet been fully rehabilitated. That was the problem, although you would probably want him killed for something he did when he was 10 years old.

Originally Posted by jedward fever

they should never be released but we know life never means life so i say kill the scum.

Life can mean life. Plenty of criminals have spent their lives behind bars, Peter Sutcliffe, for example, will never be freed.

If you thing that the solution to all the crime being committed in this country is simply to "kill the scum" then you need to take a reality check, and take into account the bigger picture.

[joeysteele]

Kepping to the topic.Can InOne or anyone just tell me this, InOne has made some really strong points that I agree fully with late last night and through the night too. So can he or anyone with his thoughts on this just tell me,
How could anyone even a Doctor,be 100% sure that an abuser who had been sent to prison, if he/she was let out, how could it be certain beyond all doubt that no abuse could ever be done again.
If they can tell me how that could be done with 100% surety, then lets hear it, if not then surely at least being locked away for life,whole of their life, has to be the minimum to protect all Children.

[red]

that. is. sick.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Kepping to the topic.Can InOne or anyone just tell me this, InOne has made some really strong points that I agree fully with late last night and through the night too. So can he or anyone with his thoughts on this just tell me,
How could anyone even a Doctor,be 100% sure that an abuser who had been sent to prison, if he/she was let out, how could it be certain beyond all doubt that no abuse could ever be done again.
If they can tell me how that could be done with 100% surety, then lets hear it, if not then surely at least being locked away for life,whole of their life, has to be the minimum to protect all Children.

you cant thats why its a waste of time.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's a forum, I can post to who I want, where I want, and about what I want. I decided to make it my business, because you were all wrong, do you have a problem with that?

in your opinion we were all wrong like in my opinion and other peoples aswell you and other people on this forum are wrong.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Kepping to the topic.Can InOne or anyone just tell me this, InOne has made some really strong points that I agree fully with late last night and through the night too. So can he or anyone with his thoughts on this just tell me,
How could anyone even a Doctor,be 100% sure that an abuser who had been sent to prison, if he/she was let out, how could it be certain beyond all doubt that no abuse could ever be done again.
If they can tell me how that could be done with 100% surety, then lets hear it, if not then surely at least being locked away for life,whole of their life, has to be the minimum to protect all Children.

If you know the law, they have risk assessments. Also there are certain levels of risk. Which means some offenders will have to be checked on daily or check in to the police. They don't let them roam free when they are released, they are monitored.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

If you know the law, they have risk assessments. Also there are certain levels of risk. Which means some offenders will have to be checked on daily or check in to the police. They don't let them roam free when they are released, they are monitored.

just not monitored good enough.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

in your opinion we were all wrong like in my opinion and other peoples aswell you and other people on this forum are wrong.

It's not 'opinion' that it is wrong, the justice system in the UK supports that by not using capital punishment

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's a forum, I can post to who I want, where I want, and about what I want. I decided to make it my business, because you were all wrong, do you have a problem with that?

YOU think we are wrong,I don't,Do you remember James Bulger?read that story (The Crime Library one)it is more accurate,you wont get ALL the facts as they were kept away from the press as it was so horrific!!then come back and tell me they should not have been locked up for LIFE.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by InOne

It's not 'opinion' that it is wrong, the justice system in the UK supports that by not using capital punishment

because the law says something dosent mean its right.

[Lucy.]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

because the law says something dosent mean its right.

How ironic. Just because Jedward Fever says capital punishment should be used doesn't mean it's right! I think the law has a tad more credibility than a 14 year old don't you think?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kazanne

YOU think we are wrong,I don't,Do you remember James Bulger?read that story (The Crime Library one)it is more accurate,you wont get ALL the facts as they were kept away from the press as it was so horrific!!then come back and tell me they should not have been locked up for LIFE.

i know it sounds harsh because they were 10 at the time but i think they should have been killed aswell,because if sick stuff like killing people is entering there head and then going through with it, what are they gonna be like when they get older? well you know what jon venables has turned into.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by InOne

Kazanne, Angus and Jedward, it's clear you have run out of things to say. You're really clutching at straws and making it seem you are more detached from reality than I first thought. Your arguments have been floored so you result to arselicking eachother, or claim we arselick. Also the fact Angus has to invent the idea I have 'cronies'. When she has been proved wrong. Me and my 'cronies' will go elsewhere, we're done here.

Good riddance! Typical Y.M.S, arrogant idiots who can't handle women with any opinions of their own.

[joeysteele]

Thank you InOne but it doesn't work,risk assessment is discredited,I asked for 100% certainty it couldn't happen again,but do you believe risk assessment is 100% foolproof.

By the way,I am studying law so I may know a little bit.I already know enough to know risk assessment is discredited left,right and centre.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

i know it sounds harsh because they were 10 at the time but i think they should have been killed aswell,because if sick stuff like killing people is entering there head and then going through with it, what are they gonna be like when they get older? well you know what jon venables has turned into.

You clearly dont have a clue about crime and murder and what drives people to it.

People arent just born murderers, they dont just have a desire to kill that sticks with them for the rest of their lives.

How about we kill you? You're 14 but if killing people is coming into your head now, what are you gonna be like when you're older?

[MissKittyFantastico]

Is there really any need to get personal and bring 'forum politics' into this?

Opinion is obviously split down the middle on this subject, understandably so perhaps when you consider what an emotive subject we're talking about, but I don't see why it has to descend into name calling and petty arguing. That will just get the thread closed, which would be a shame because it's been a really interesting debate imo.

[M X]

Just sick, ****ing sick.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

You clearly dont have a clue about crime and murder and what drives people to it.

People arent just born murderers, they dont just have a desire to kill that sticks with them for the rest of their lives.

How about we kill you? You're 14 but if killing people is coming into your head now, what are you gonna be like when you're older?

yeah i aint saying killing 2 year olds am i? and i never said they were born murderers so get that out of your head.

[joeysteele]

The fact is I think I can safely say this,the law has failed many victims of abuse, if ever there comes a referendum in this country for capital punishment to be brought back for certain crimes, then I dare bet all I have that the vote for yes, would be in excess of 75% easily, and that sexual abuses of children would be one of the crimes the people would want it back for.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

yeah i aint saying killing 2 year olds am i? and i never said they were born murderers so get that out of your head.

No, but you're still advocating killing someone.

You didnt say they were born murderers but if you dont think that then why do you think they killed Bulger? Do you think the desire to kill just suddenly popped into their head one day and it will never go away so they should just be hung?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

The fact is I think I can safely say this,the law has failed many victims of abuse, if ever there comes a referendum in this country for capital punishment to be brought back for certain crimes, then I dare bet all I have that the vote for yes, would be in excess of 75% easily, and that sexual abuses of children would be one of the crimes the people would want it back for.

i agree.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by MTVN

No, but you're still advocating killing someone.

You didnt say they were born murderers but if you dont think that then why do you think they killed Bulger? Do you think the desire to kill just suddenly popped into their head one day and it will never go away so they should just be hung?

no they obviously had a bad childhood but still they are never gonna change when they kill 2 year olds imo.