[arista]

Yes New Labour made a mess of the UK
on this.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...m-2205074.html


"David Cameron launches a devastating attack today on 30 years of multiculturalism in Britain, warning it is fostering extremist ideology and directly contributing to home-grown Islamic terrorism.
Signalling a radical departure from the strategies of previous governments, Mr Cameron says that Britain must adopt a policy of "muscular liberalism" to enforce the values of equality, law and freedom of speech across all parts of society.
He warns Muslim groups that if they fail to endorse women's rights or promote integration, they will lose all government funding. All immigrants to Britain must speak English and schools will be expected to teach the country's common culture. "

"David Cameron tells Muslim Britain: stop tolerating extremists"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...slim-extremism
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Pol...ch%2C_Germany_



Yes standing up for women stuck
in this mess.

[Angus]

Admirable but I fear it may be too little, too late. Nobody can stop "multiculturalism", since it has NEVER existed, only in the tiny minds of idealistic idiots who were unable to understand the consequences of what they inflicted upon this country.

It is Labour's most iniquitous attempt at social engineering, imposing an ill thought out ideology on the citizens of this country, without putting in place any practical measures, ie where are all these people going to live, go to school, receive medical attention, work etc etc? How are they to integrate into society when they can't speak a word of English? Instead Labour implemented a raft of legislation, like the infamous Human Rights Act, criminalising anyone who had the audacity to question the folly of allowing unrestricted immigration of hundreds of thousands immigrants with diametrically opposed cultures and practices, and failing to impose on said immigrants any expectations that they would at least have the courtesy to learn our language, attempt to integrate with the host culture, and obey the laws of the land.

What have we ended up with? A fractured society comprising isolated ethnic communities who still continue to live the lifestyles and traditions of the countries they have come from, irrespective of whether their cultural practices are in violation of our laws or offensive to our own traditions.

Good luck to Cameron for at least having the balls to voice the problem and to attempt a solution. The very least requirement for those settling here is that they learn English -a common language is the single most valuable and essential tool for integration and communication and it is really unbelievable that it has taken so long for that to be recognised. Instead of wasting millions supplying interpreters Labour should have been supplying English teachers. But then we all know the real reason Labour encouraged mass immigration don't we? Pity it didn't work for them at the last election.

Most importantly, any practices that subjugate and demean women and which deprive them of equal treatment, should NEVER be tolerated. Women have fought long and hard in this country for equality and yet we still have idiots promoting the idea that we should allow immigrant men the right to subjugate, dominate and control their women folk. How are second, third and fourth generation immigrant males going to view women if they have been brought up in such male dominated households?

[joeysteele]

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.

[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.

I can
Stop the Money going to the
Muslim Trouble makers.


This was New Labour Funding.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I can't see how he can do much really, this is more like sound bytes to a long standing issue.

He does however state that over the last '30' years this has been allowed to be the case so while I would attack the Labour party for not doing anything in 13 years, reading through political history then I would also masisvely take to task the Conservative party too since of those last 30 years they were in power for 17(nearly 60%) of those years and also did nothing..

I think its likely too little too late and that its also language that won't help presently either.

It is the direction that immigration took once Labour took power that is the problem. It was unrestricted - far too many people, over too short a time, with no proper infrastructure in place to cope with the numbers. It was Labour that deliberately caused the massive problem we have now, not the Tories. Labour more or less cocked a snook at the electorate, presenting them with a fait accompli, thousands upon thousands of immigrants all jostling for housing, school places, doctors, benefits, health care, yet no extra resources for these essentials being provided by the government.

It was not the Tories that threw our borders open to the world and his wife. Integration and mutual tolerance cannot be enforced, it must evolve organically over time with the help of fair and evenhanded legislation, and clear and consistent rules applied to new immigrants - that they learn to speak English and agree to obey the laws of this country and do nothing to violate or abuse the freedoms we enjoy. I have no idea why some on here dispute the need for immigrants to respect our culture and integrate with society. FGS, what is the alternative?

[InOne]

Hmmmm, having a national indentity doesn't seem to likely at the moment. It's good the PM is finally saying something. But think it will probably just die down and nothing will change.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

It is the direction that immigration took once Labour took power that is the problem. It was unrestricted - far too many people, over too short a time, with no proper infrastructure in place to cope with the numbers. It was Labour that deliberately caused the massive problem we have now, not the Tories. Labour more or less cocked a snook at the electorate, presenting them with a fait accompli, thousands upon thousands of immigrants all jostling for housing, school places, doctors, benefits, health care, yet no extra resources for these essentials being provided by the government.

It was not the Tories that threw our borders open to the world and his wife. Integration and mutual tolerance cannot be enforced, it must evolve organically over time with the help of fair and evenhanded legislation, and clear and consistent rules applied to new immigrants - that they learn to speak English and agree to obey the laws of this country and do nothing to violate or abuse the freedoms we enjoy. I have no idea why some on here dispute the need for immigrants to respect our culture and integrate with society. FGS, what is the alternative?

I don't really disagree with what you say at all,I am no sympathiser for Labour but I just feel this is a vocal rather than practical thing from David Cameron and also I am afraid I have little trust in politicians anyway no matter what party.

They seem to,once in power, just make things worse, over political history since the 1930s, there has only been a succession of mostly Conservative and lesser so Labour govts each seeming to seek to dismantle most of what the previous govt did rather than build on successes and also look for compromises.

Immigration is such an issue where I just feel its a political game and no one has the answers but will not wprk together to get the answers either.

I am very weak on political matters, I would admit that, but from what I have read I feel politicians from all parties once in power fail very badly most of the time the people who put them there.

[lostalex]

People support multi-culturalism, unless that culture is English. Then it's bad, very bad.

[InOne]

Originally Posted by lostalex

People support multi-culturalism, unless that culture is English. Then it's bad, very bad.

Then people often turn around and say "well you don't have a culture anyway". As if they've made an effort to try find out what it is

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by InOne

Hmmmm, having a national indentity doesn't seem to likely at the moment. It's good the PM is finally saying something. But think it will probably just die down and nothing will change.

Indeed nothing will change......It's a cynical attempt by Cameron to get votes in the local elections.....by short circuiting more radical points of view......

Until Cameron and others realise that reigions that brainwash children from birth (Islam is by no means the only offender) then nothing will change........Governments will tolorate the intolorable.......In the name of the public.......

[Crimson Dynamo]

come to Scotland as we dont have much call for immigrants due to the weather. we have lots of Poles but they work hard and adopt our culture.

[arista]

"It's a cynical attempt"


No it Ain't he uising LibDem
to free all these women Forced into Illegal partners.

Even Labour MP's back this
but under there Toffy Nosed Leader Ed
they can not speak up enough.

[Crimson Dynamo]

"Thousands of English Defence League (EDL) supporters descended on the town that spawned the far-right movement for an inflammatory protest today.

The far-right street protest movement opposes what it sees as the spread of Sharia law and militant Islam in England. The group gathered in Luton, where counter-demonstrations have been organised by Unite Against Fascism (UAF) and sections of the town's Muslim community.

A massive police operation has been launched with more than a thousand officers on the streets at a cost of more than Ł800,000. So far, one arrest has been made"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1D6i9xdKd

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

"Thousands of English Defence League (EDL) supporters descended on the town that spawned the far-right movement for an inflammatory protest today.

The far-right street protest movement opposes what it sees as the spread of Sharia law and militant Islam in England. The group gathered in Luton, where counter-demonstrations have been organised by Unite Against Fascism (UAF) and sections of the town's Muslim community.

A massive police operation has been launched with more than a thousand officers on the streets at a cost of more than Ł800,000. So far, one arrest has been made"


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz1D6i9xdKd

Yes was on the news
So what

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes was on the news
So what

how was it, did you get hit by the police?

[arista]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

how was it, did you get hit by the police?

I do not live in Luton.

Police Do Not Hit Me.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

come to Scotland as we dont have much call for immigrants due to the weather. we have lots of Poles but they work hard and adopt our culture.

Give it a few more years and when England is full up, they'll be coming north of the border- perhaps some enterprising manufacturer up there can knock out some furlined tartan burkas?

[letmein]

Originally Posted by bananarama

Indeed nothing will change......It's a cynical attempt by Cameron to get votes in the local elections.....by short circuiting more radical points of view......

Until Cameron and others realise that reigions that brainwash children from birth (Islam is by no means the only offender) then nothing will change........Governments will tolorate the intolorable.......In the name of the public.......

So, are you saying that religion should be banned? Where did they do that before?

[BB_Eye]

Originally Posted by letmein

So, are you saying that religion should be banned? Where did they do that before?

[Angus]

How predictable! Sadiq Khan, the Shadow Justice Minister, accuses Cameron of racism for daring to voice an intent to tackle one of the most serious problems in our society. No doubt Khan would like the status quo to remain, where immigrant women remain subjugated to their men folk, unchecked radicalisation leading to brainwashed extremists in our midst, and the relentless advance of separatism in our society due to the inability and/or lack of desire of many immigrants to learn English to promote integration and communication with others.

I sincerely hope Cameron and his government have the guts to ignore the blatant playing of the race card (perfected under the Labour Regime to quash any dissent of their iniquitous attempts of social engineering) and carry on with long overdue reforms to immigration - after all the main reason the British electorate kicked out Labour is because of their damaging pursuit of multiculturalism despite all the evidence to the contrary that it cannot work without a proper infrastructure in place, as well as legislation outlining the obligations as well as the rights of immigrants who CHOOSE to settle here.

[Beastie]

There was a debate about this today on "The Big Questions". I hope Muslims don't take over our country. They have the right to believe in their religion and practise it but not brainwash us that was born in this country to do what they do!!

The Muslim man on The Big Questions today seemed like he had so much anger. People like him move to this country because it is richer than their's with more opportunity. They have to comprimise. Would they rather be in their own country where they can enforce their religion in full? Or lay low in their "religion" to be in in the UK? Where this is a place full of diversity, culture, and race. A polish person even said to me "there are too many people coming into the UK". Mmm...

[Angus]

Originally Posted by thebeast

There was a debate about this today on "The Big Questions". I hope Muslims don't take over our country. They have the right to believe in their religion and practise it but not brainwash us that was born in this country to do what they do!!

The Muslim man on The Big Questions today seemed like he had so much anger. People like him move to this country because it is richer than their's with more opportunity. They have to comprimise. Would they rather be in their own country where they can enforce their religion in full? Or lay low in their "religion" to be in in the UK? Where this is a place full of diversity, culture, and race. A polish person even said to me "there are too many people coming into the UK". Mmm...

Thankfully, more and more people are voicing their concerns, no longer intimidated by those that brandish the race card to shut them up. It is NOT racist to debate legitimate and serious concerns about unrestricted immigration, or scarce resources stretched to the limit by the unprecedented numbers, or the inability of immigrants to integrate into society because they cannot speak English, or the radicalisation of young muslims in some mosques and some faith schools, OR, in my opinion, the not so hidden agenda any longer of extremist muslims' desire to Islamify Britain - and I'm not talking about the religion, but the political ideology of Islam.

[BB_Eye]

I welcome this if truth be told. A savvy political move from Cameron too at a time when he is very unpopular. I hope he starts by reigning in on serial libel litigants like Iqbal Sacrani (Muslim Council of Britain chairman) and blinkered Student Union reps who report anybody who criticises Islam to the equally clueless police.

And what a pathetic jab from Sadiq Khan. Is he not aware that the EDL are a gang of racist thugs? They are nothing alike.

[Tom4784]

He'll say anything for votes. His reign so far has been shambolic and the sooner we can kick him and Clegg out the better.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

He'll say anything for votes. His reign so far has been shambolic and the sooner we can kick him and Clegg out the better.

As will every politician though in fairness