[letmein]

Waiting for arista's head to explode.

16 Feb 2011

LAB (45)

CON (35)

LD (10)

YouGov's daily poll for the Sun has topline figures of CON 35%, LAB 45%, LD 10%, a repeat of the 10 point Labour lead we saw at the weekend.

Labour's lead over the Conservatives in the daily YouGov polls certainly seems to be creeping ever upwards, from a lead of around three points in December, to around five points in January, to around seven points in early February, it would now appear to be averaging around 8 or 9.

Latest UNS Projection: Labour Majority of 86

http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/ar...comment-page-1

So, what went wrong?

[arista]

10point lead
but not in power

Not a problem at this stage.

[DrunkerThanMoses]

All the cuts the government are doing is the problem, no suprise Labour are in lead, the party in gonverment was always going to have this problem.

[Angus]

Wouldn't matter if they had a 50 point lead at this stage, except from the point of view of wondering whether people who would seriously vote for the union puppet and his minions should be allowed out of doors without their carers.

[Shaun]

Meh. Just a popularity contest.

[bbfan1991]

Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses

All the cuts the government are doing is the problem, no suprise Labour are in lead, the party in gonverment was always going to have this problem.

Labour would have probably had to make these cuts along these lines IMO if they were still in power especially with the recession.

[Livia]

The cuts are necessary because of the shambles the Labour party left the country in - less than a year ago. People have short memories. having said that, it really does depend on which poll you look at as to who's in the lead. You can say anything with statistics. 98% of people is nearly all of them.

[joeysteele]

Its likely to get better or not reduce much over the years too. sadly people have short memories of how badly Labour wasted the 2 biggest overall majories ever since the war.

However, the lead is in fact the movement of those who voted Lib Dem,as the Lib Dem vote is down around 12 to 14% from the election and Labour is up around 13 to 15%.
Voters feel betrayed by the Lib Dems, as the cuts are only set to bite over the next 3 to 4 years then the Labour vote will likely harden.The Conservative vote figure has largely stayed at around what they got in May 2010.

There was no great love for the Conservatives at the 2010 election, they only added just over 5% to their vote in 13 years from 1997, still only getting 36%+ in an election they should have walked over with at least a 50 overall majority and at least getting to 40% of the vote.However the Conservatives are doing what they said they would in govt unlike the Lib Dems.

In the end over this whole parliament now,Labour will be seen as the one and only opposition to the cuts, etc and no matter the reasons for the deficit and its no doubt Labour mismanaged the economy and left a high financial crisis but the now human cost of peoples jobs, livelihoods,loss of homes and family break ups through financial stress of these cuts and job losses will likely ensure this coalition is swept out when the voters get the chance to do so.The longer the voters have to wait to do that then the worse it will be as with Gordon Browns dithering over calling an election.

I cannot see most of those who voted Lib Dem in 2010 trusting or believing Clegg again, so while he is leader of the Lib Dems, those voters will not return to them. Those voters will not go to the Conservatives either, so will throw their lot in with Labour.I actually also believe that nearer the end of this term of govt in order to save themselves,many Lib Dem MPs will turn on the coalition and start making overtures to Labour again.

Labour make a financial mess, the Conservatives prefer the human cost of livelihoods mess which both 'means' do eventually get to sort out problems after recession, we all know what we are likely to get from those parties but the one party that is a real snake in the grass are the Lib Dems, I voted for them in 2010,I will never do so again or believe a word they say.

[MTVN]

Fickle public really. Before the election they knew cuts would come, they knew things would be difficult yet the Tories still gained more support than any other political party. Now that those policies have become reality they've changed their mind, not a great surprise really

[Angus]

The reaction of the public to these necessary cuts puts me in mind of a book I once read by C.P.Snow in which he put forward the hypothesis that human beings are basically just savages who operate on self interest - they merely assume a veneer of civilised and social behaviour to conceal their true selves - a "Coat of Varnish". In reality everybody is really just out for themselves and will always follow the most expedient and self aggrandising route and sod the consequences for anyone else.

Perhaps he was on to something, which is a pretty bleak thought.

[bananarama]

Originally Posted by Livia

The cuts are necessary because of the shambles the Labour party left the country in - less than a year ago. People have short memories. having said that, it really does depend on which poll you look at as to who's in the lead. You can say anything with statistics. 98% of people is nearly all of them.

Your right people do have short memories........They forget the mess the Tories left the health service in. They forget the the Tory inhuman attitude towards having a mimimum wage to protect people from extreme wage exploitation. They forget the many years of high interest rates during the eighties and 90's.

Thet forget the persistant high unemployment of the Tory 18 years of incompetence and inhumainity......Reform after reform that wasted billions........But gained F--all.........

They forget the soaring of crime under the Tory 18 years of incompetence.......

Yeh..No doubt about it people do have SHORT MEMORIES........Or more accurately "convenient selective memories"

[Grimnir]

There is no difference whatsoever between Lab/Lib/Con.

The coalition between Con and Lib proves this beyond any shadow of a doubt.

The system is set up in a way to give an illusion of democracy, when there is none at all.

Whoever won the last election, the country would be exactly the same as it is now.

Whoever wins next election, the country will stay exactly the same.

People do not have any control, you are kidding yourself if you think you do.

The people in power are the banks, corporations and mega rich elite.

They decide policies, NOT the public.

[Beastie]

Cuts had to be made. Maybe plenty of parents out there are pissed off that their sprogs will have to pay 9 grand a year for university. Err.. hello. After you finish Uni you start paying that back if you are in a job 21 grand or over. If you don't have a job where you earn more than 21 grand in 30 years your debt gets written off. 20 grand a year is a lot of money to earn.....

I hope David Cameron cuts down on immigration like he said. Because there are too many people in this country! I also think the Rich need to be taxed more and the poor with working class jobs such as sweeping and cleaning hours on end need to be paid a bit more. Also.. Please David Cameron.. stop giving India financial aid... Thanks

[cub]

Stop foreign aid.
Stop benefits for unemployed.
Save billions.

[Grimnir]

Originally Posted by cub

Stop foreign aid.
Stop benefits for unemployed.
Save billions.

If you stop benefits for unemployed, crime rate would soar.

Instead the government should scrap all schemes associated with unemployed and with the billions they save from this, use it to pay cash incentives to employers. If someone has been unemployed for 3 months, they automatically get a job.

Then the only people who are not working are those deemed unfit for work for health reasons.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by cub

Stop foreign aid.
Stop benefits for unemployed.
Save billions.

Many people who become unemployed have worked for decades before they become unemployed, it is a bit unfair to say that all the unemployed should not get benefits.

A great many people are now going to be made unemployed because of greedy Bankers massive mistakes and gambling with investments,coupled with a series of Government mismanagements so rather than the unemployed not getting any benefits it should be they who are made to squeal the loudest with cuts not the ordinary people.

I agree with stopping some foreign aid, especially to India at present, they even have a space programme going on and yet we are giving aid to them.

However I am glad overall the UK is still in the main a caring society and I hope from my generation onwards that we make sure it stays that way,you judge how good a society you are as to how you and how you allow your leaders to treat the poorest and weakest in that society.

[Angus]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Many people who become unemployed have worked for decades before they become unemployed, it is a bit unfair to say that all the unemployed should not get benefits.

A great many people are now going to be made unemployed because of greedy Bankers massive mistakes and gambling with investments,coupled with a series of Government mismanagements so rather than the unemployed not getting any benefits it should be they who are made to squeal the loudest with cuts not the ordinary people.

I agree with stopping some foreign aid, especially to India at present, they even have a space programme going on and yet we are giving aid to them.

However I am glad overall the UK is still in the main a caring society and I hope from my generation onwards that we make sure it stays that way,you judge how good a society you are as to how you and how you allow your leaders to treat the poorest and weakest in that society.

Exactly right! Not every unemployed person is a workshy, feckless sponger by any means. As to the highlighted part of your post, I would agree that we treat the poorest and weakest in OUR society well, but we should not be responsible for the world and his wife when we have such limited resources at our own disposal. Charity begins at home, and there are many needy and deserving causes in our country that are struggling to care for others that get no funding whatsoever.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by angus58

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Exactly right! Not every unemployed person is a workshy, feckless sponger by any means. As to the highlighted part of your post, I would agree that we treat the poorest and weakest in OUR society well, but we should not be responsible for the world and his wife when we have such limited resources at our own disposal. Charity begins at home, and there are many needy and deserving causes in our country that are struggling to care for others that get no funding whatsoever.

I couldn't agree with you more Angus58,I do feel a lot of the problems as to the welfare issues are not in the main because of 'our' society as you put it,I doubt very much if I or anyone else was in truth having nothing that I would be likely welcomed or allowed in to other Nations.

I do think people fleeing 'genuine' persecution need to be protected and nurtured,as long as they are really fleeing persecution.
What has often surprised me is that 'a' (singular) person supposedly flees persecution and finds themselves in the UK, however leaving their close relatives behind where the persecution is,only to then later be joined here by them too, I find that odd.

As you say and especially at this time, 'our' government has the duty to protect and care for our vulnerable, weakest and poorest first,not out of selfishness but of being the morally right thing to do.