[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

I have had no respect for her father in the past, however he now as a lifetime to reflect over his actions and to whether this contributed or not to his daughters destructive lifestyle. As parents we will always find a way to blame everything on ourselves what we should/shouldn't/could have done, and I am sure this will haunt him forever. As to Amy's lifestyle, well whatever to blame, she has paid the ultimate price, with that the public/press should draw a line under the negative aspect and as you say concentrate on the positive of possibly helping other young people going the same direction. Like Jade Goddy's illness and death did for other females awareness. There is every point in drawing from the positive and none in drawing from the negative.
The public's obsession with dirt and scandal, whether true or not, I don't think they really care, is why the press stoop so low to gain their stories. So there's really no point in them then complaining that its not ethical

The point of the matter is: 27 year old women don't tend to drop dead suddenly.

The manner in which Amy completely and utterly abused her body in recent years will no doubt have been a contributory factor - given her own health conditions (emphesyma).

with respect to the media: it came in very handy did it not when she was on her way up, and Mitch certainly used it to his advantage. people can't have their cake and eat it. They courted publicity, this is the downside of it: unsavoury as it is.

What good can come out of it? As a very sorry but harsh lesson to everyone who thinks that an overload of drugs and drink are 'cool' . If ever there was a lesson to be learned: this is it.

27 remember. We will never know but I'm pretty sure if she'd led a less drug and drink fuelled life in the past few years: she'd still be alive. That's my reckoning.

If this type of death / story stops one person from entering the type of lifestyle that Amy led latterly - far as I am concerned, that's one life saved and that more justifies.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better

Not all rich and famous all suffereing disfunctional wrecks.

Amy however, was. No matter how hard that is to digest. It is true.

[Ammi]

Pyramid I respect your viewpoint and reasons for it, although it is not the same is mine. You do however, always analise from facts and I respect that. I'm going to bow out of this thread, simply for the reason as Omah say's it has been more active than Amy's tribute thread, therefore my opinions only add to the negativity over Amy's death. If I post, it will be on the tribute thread

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by rhino

Pyramid I respect your viewpoint and reasons for it, although it is not the same is mine. You do however, always analise from facts and I respect that. I'm going to bow out of this thread, simply for the reason as Omah say's it has been more active than Amy's tribute thread, therefore my opinions only add to the negativity over Amy's death. If I post, it will be on the tribute thread

Likewise: I have nothing but respect for you and for your posts - here and elsewhere. I understand where you are coming from and I understand why. It's one of those subjects that people feel passionately about and it's not the easiest on the heart or soul - either way.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Not quite sure why you've put "celebrities" in inverted commas. I think it's fair to say that Amy was more than a celebrity - let's be fair here Omah.

I used inverted commas to generalise - "celebrities" may include Elvis to Amy, Princess Diana to Jade Goody, James Dean to River Phoenix, etc, etc, etc .....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by rhino

I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better

Indeed, many do .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

I used inverted commas to generalise - "celebrities" may include Elvis to Amy, Princess Diana to Jade Goody, James Dean to River Phoenix, etc, etc, etc .....

Elvis was far more than a celebrity and it's absurd for you to use that as comparison.

Princess Diana was part of the Royal Family - a whole different ball game. Not a known drugs user or heavy drinker as far as I recall.

James Dean was reknown in the acting world.

I don't think you are comparing on any favourable (or fair) level Omah. TBH, I'm starting to dislike the manner in which you are trying to turn this thread: from a discussion thread into a 'tit for tat' one. It comes across (imo) as you doing more gloating than discussing. I did agree with your comments regarding the 'view count' but given the posts you are putting up since that point, as I say, I'm not entirely convinced it is discussion you want.

Sorry Omah, you may not be gloating - all I am saying is that is the way I am seeing how your posts may be coming across.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by rhino

I was very interested and stunned to hear of Amy's death, its all the stupid sh*** that inevitably follows that is pointless and this obsession of scandal and gossip. And tbh it wouldn't matter if she were Mother Teresa, bad stuff would inferred because people need to feed their lives with the knowledge that the rich, famous etc are all suffering disfunctional wrecks, it makes them feel better

that is exactly what AW was

so your point is kind of whack

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Elvis was far more than a celebrity and it's absurd for you to use that as comparison.

Princess Diana was part of the Royal Family - a whole different ball game. Not a known drugs user or heavy drinker as far as I recall.

James Dean was reknown in the acting world.

I don't think you are comparing on any favourable (or fair) level Omah. TBH, I'm starting to dislike the manner in which you are trying to turn this thread: from a discussion thread into a 'tit for tat' one. It comes across (imo) as you doing more gloating than discussing. I did agree with your comments regarding the 'view count' but given the posts you are putting up since that point, as I say, I'm not entirely convinced it is discussion you want.

Sorry Omah, you may not be gloating - all I am saying is that is the way I am seeing how your posts may be coming across.

It seems to ME that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....

I note that YOUR post count on this thread is higher than mine, in fact, highest, of all ..... and, given that most of my posts are links and yours are opinions, you are coming across as a bit of a bully .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

It seems to me that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....

No. I'm being very honest Omah. It seems you are more interested in putting up newspaper articles than actully debating. That doesn't require me to be personal, judgmental or patronising - I said that it comes across as you gloating. I didn't say you were - it is however, how it appears to come across to me. That's my opinion on your posts of late

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

No. I'm being very honest Omah. It seems you are more interested in putting up newspaper articles than actully debating. That doesn't require me to be personal, judgmental or patronising - I said that it comes across as you gloating. I didn't say you were - it is however, how it appears to come across to me. That's my opinion on your posts of late

You are, of course, entitled to an opinion .....

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Omah

It seems to ME that you are being personal, judgemental and patronising ..... tut, tut .....

I note that YOUR post count on this thread is higher than mine, in fact, highest, of all ..... and, given that most of my posts are links and yours are opinions, you are coming across as a bit of a bully .....

. I've contributed plenty to this thread - by way of discussion - not just chucking up newspaper articles. That's not bulllying either - that's a fact.

Yeah..bullies tend to say things like this: Get a grip Omah

Sorry Omah, you may not be gloating - all I am saying is that is the way I am seeing how your posts may be coming across.

[Callum]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/...e-funeral.html



Jeez, what a "meeja-ho" - we haven't heard of her since her "fashion-empire" went t1t$-up then AHW comes craking out of the woodwork claiming a "special" relationship with AW .....

Love how she's such a friend that she's talking to the papers and going on TV for a fee to talk about her.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Callum

Love how she's such a friend that she's talking to the papers and going on TV for a fee to talk about her.

I cant stand Kelly Osbourne, but kudos to her for saying the same thing about the whole thing. Grief and bereavement is usually a private affair - and good for Kelly for showing this wannabe up for what she is.

[Omah]

Previously .....

Originally Posted by Omah

Amy Winehouse was adopting girl of 10

http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/...#ixzz1ThuCpZTR

but apparently .....

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/01/wineho...oing-to-adopt/

The Sunday Mirror reported Dannika Augustine and her grandmother both confirmed that Amy was about to begin the adoption process ... and both of Dannika's parents had signed off on the plan.

But Amy's rep tells TMZ ... "It's not true" ... adding, "I think [Amy] might have met her in St. Lucia, but she was in no way about to adopt her."

Ah, right .....

[Omah]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1TouZvU3t

'I couldn't speak for 48 hours'

The Judas singer appeared on The View chat show, which aired in the U.S. earlier today, and spoke of her grief, even though she never met the Back to Black singer.

She told the panel: ‘I am just so devastated and so sad and I really could not speak for 48 hours straight I was in such shock.’

She told the ladies of the ABC panel: ‘I think the most unfortunate thing about it all is the way that the media spins things, like we can learn from Amy's death.

‘I don't feel that Amy needed to learn any lessons. I felt that the lesson was for the world to be kinder to the superstar. Everybody was so hard on her, and everything that I knew about her was that she was the most lovely and nice and kind woman.’

Lady Gaga, who is currently on a promotional tour for her new single, spoke about Amy just last week on Omaha 94.1 Radio during an interview where she revealed "she was often mistaken for the soul singer" before she herself found fame.

Had never met her, but knew all about her .....

[Redway]

[Shaun]

Originally Posted by Omah

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz...#ixzz1TouZvU3t

'I couldn't speak for 48 hours'



Had never met her, but knew all about her .....

"everything I knew about her" =/= "I knew everything about her". I honestly think you're clutching at straws to try and make those grieving seem insignificant or silly. I'd rather have respectful things to say about someone I didn't personally know than post 10 gossip stories slandering them.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shaun

"everything I knew about her" =/= "I knew everything about her". I honestly think you're clutching at straws to try and make those grieving seem insignificant or silly. I'd rather have respectful things to say about someone I didn't personally know than post 10 gossip stories slandering them.

I don't have to try and make those grieving (sic) seem insignificant or silly - they make themselves look ridiculous .....

AFAIK, gossip, once written, may be "libel" but not "slander" .....

[Shaun]

I don't think someone whose sole purpose is to post every Daily Mail story on TiBB can call someone ridiculous, Omah.

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Shaun

I don't think someone whose sole purpose is to post every Daily Mail story on TiBB can call someone ridiculous, Omah.

Your references are inaccurate .....

[Omah]

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...g-Traviss.html

AMY Winehouse and boyfriend Reg Traviss secretly got engaged weeks before her death.

Reg, 35, gave ecstatic singer Amy, 27, a diamond ring.

And she agreed to marry Reg without a moment's hesitation - because she so desperately wanted to put her wild lifestyle behind her.

Well, I'm gobsmacked .....

This revelation on top of :

http://www.people.co.uk/celebs-tv/ce...2039-23309026/

In stark contrast to the star’s public hell-raising drink-and-drugs image, Aisleyne revealed how Amy…

LOVED watching Channel 4’s teatime word game Countdown.

LIKED to pop round to her local takeaway for a spicy kebab and chips.

ENJOYED having a cosy cup of tea with her mates and a nap in the afternoon.

LAVISHED her love on up to five kittens.

SANG like an angel while she did the housework.

It seems like Amy was really Miss Goody Two-Shoes .....

[Pyramid*]

Omah. Well done.

You've turned this discussion thread into an incredibly boring, flat, deadpan 'news' bulletin update thread - all we're going to get is you cutting and pasting every single goddam thing that has been ever been printed.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Omah. Well done.

You've turned this discussion thread into an incredibly boring, flat, deadpan 'news' bulletin update thread - all we're going to get is you cutting and pasting every single goddam thing that has been ever been printed.

I said this days ago....

[Omah]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Omah. Well done.

You've turned this discussion thread into an incredibly boring, flat, deadpan 'news' bulletin update thread - all we're going to get is you cutting and pasting every single goddam thing that has been ever been printed.

Frankly, if I didn't update it and you refrained from using it as a high horse, it would disappear ......

Number of posts in thread -700, Pyramid* 84, Omah 78 .....