[Jords]

On the actual night of the eviction, I dont think Ive ever been shocked on who has left. It really takes away the excitement that BBUK has on who will go!

Im not sure how they can combat this, maybe limiting the time in which the HGs can talk gameplay (say not allowed on Tuesdays)?
Another thing that seems to be pointless are the nominee speeches, I dont think since starting watching in BB12 theyve ever affected how another HG has voted. BB should try focus some more attention on them and instead of the general 'nicey' speeches offer deals or reveals straight out.

[lostalex]

That;'s because you read the forums and watch the feeds.

If you only watched the CBS shows with no spoilers they can be quite surprising.

When i went back and watched the old seasons with none of that, the evictions were pretty shocking, the editors do a good job.

[Jords]

Yeah but thats them manufacturing the surprise, BB should be about dipping in and out of live feed whenever you want.

[Firewire]

It's predictable because we know who's disliked and who's targeting who, but as lostalex said, without feeds this wouldn't be shown and you probably would be surprised by the votes.

[starry]

It was quite predictable watching the HLs this week. The speeches tend to be more a goodbye speech and a I'm looking forward to keeping in the house speech. The first is more interesting as they can speak their mind a bit more as they know they are leaving. Also as I've said a few times we don't really need Julie telling us before the HGs vote what we should expect, we aren't idiots (or most aren't I hope).

What I don't get is why HGs feel pressure to vote a particular way. The votes are private and not made public so nobody would know for sure how they voted, so they shouldn't be like sheep and just vote the way the wind is blowing.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by starry

What I don't get is why HGs feel pressure to vote a particular way. The votes are private and not made public so nobody would know for sure how they voted, so they shouldn't be like sheep and just vote the way the wind is blowing.

Because for the most part, it's easy to figure out who voted which way. I know you're talking in reference to Jeff and Jordan evicting Brendon. If they evicted Shelly, it's 3-3 and Brendon would still go, so Jeff and Jordan would be sticking themselves out there for no reason.

[smartalec2718]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Because for the most part, it's easy to figure out who voted which way. I know you're talking in reference to Jeff and Jordan evicting Brendon. If they evicted Shelly, it's 3-3 and Brendon would still go, so Jeff and Jordan would be sticking themselves out there for no reason.

Truth. However, the other part of it is the paranoia it causes in the house - in weeks 3 and 4 of BB8, when America told Eric to vote to evict Kail first over Mike and then over Nick, that meant there was a stray vote. Week 3 should have been a 8-1 vote to get Mike out, it was 7-2. Week 4 should have been 7-1 for Nick to go, it was 6-2. And it sent the LNC into a total tailspin as they tried to figure out who the mystery voter was (it was basically the cause of that alliance's demise).

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by smartalec2718

Truth. However, the other part of it is the paranoia it causes in the house - in weeks 3 and 4 of BB8, when America told Eric to vote to evict Kail first over Mike and then over Nick, that meant there was a stray vote. Week 3 should have been a 8-1 vote to get Mike out, it was 7-2. Week 4 should have been 7-1 for Nick to go, it was 6-2. And it sent the LNC into a total tailspin as they tried to figure out who the mystery voter was (it was basically the cause of that alliance's demise).

When it works, it's brilliant. It just rarely works (America's Player is an anomaly), and I know starry's talking about Jeff/Jordan not voting with Rachel. Stray votes can usually only work early on, because the fewer people there are, the more likely you are to get caught. The classic example's from Survivor Africa (not sure if anyone here's familiar with that show), but at the final ten, someone was supposed to be voted off 9-1. The vote was 8-2, someone was wrongly accused of casting the stray vote, and was then voted out the next round.

[Marc]

I can't remember the last shock eviction tbf

[JeanP!]

^^ Dustin's (BB8)

[Marc]

Originally Posted by JeanP!

^^ Dustin's (BB8)

5 seasons ago

Dear lord.

[Jords]

And even if not a shock eviction, a few shock votes wouldnt go a miss!

[MeMyselfAndI]

Jessie BB10 eviction
Libra rallying votes

[starry]

Originally Posted by troynuncdicit

Because for the most part, it's easy to figure out who voted which way. I know you're talking in reference to Jeff and Jordan evicting Brendon. If they evicted Shelly, it's 3-3 and Brendon would still go, so Jeff and Jordan would be sticking themselves out there for no reason.

In general though people don't know for sure who votes a particular way. Porsche for example had an altercation with Shelly, Adam did side with the power couples recently. And anyway what if Jeff and Jordan voted to evict Shelly? Wouldn't please Shelly I guess if she thought they had, but they would have had allies in Brendan and Rachel more had Brendan stayed. And Adam if he thought Brendan had the numbers could well have stayed on that side. But with Jordan and Jeff publicly abandoning Brendan it wasn't going to happen. And I don't think Dani exactly wants to side with Jeff anyway so Jeff isn't gaining much of an alliance on that side.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by starry

In general though people don't know for sure who votes a particular way. Porsche for example had an altercation with Shelly, Adam did side with the power couples recently. And anyway what if Jeff and Jordan voted to evict Shelly? Wouldn't please Shelly I guess if she thought they had, but they would have had allies in Brendan and Rachel more had Brendan stayed. And Adam if he thought Brendan had the numbers could well have stayed on that side. But with Jordan and Jeff publicly abandoning Brendan it wasn't going to happen. And I don't think Dani exactly wants to side with Jeff anyway so Jeff isn't gaining much of an alliance on that side.

Uhh in general people DO know who votes a particular way. Especially this late in the game. Porsche and Shelly sure don't like each other, but ultimately, Kalia and Porsche were going to vote how Daniele wanted them to vote. And Adam made it pretty clear that he was going to evict Brendon. His ideal F3 would be with Porsche and Shelly, and he pretty much rejected Brendon/Rachel to their faces. There was absolutely no way Brendon would stay, because Porsche, Adam, and Kalia were locked in to evict Brendon and that's enough. If Jeff/Jordan voted to evict Shelly with Rachel, it would be a 3-3 tie and Daniele would evict Brendon. You can't say Brendon was screwed because Jordan/Jeff publicly abandoned him, Brendon was screwed the second he was nominated because Porsche/Adam/Kalia had no chance of changing their votes. I don't know what fantasy world you're living in where you can secretly vote, but it's so easy in the game to find out who votes who.

[starry]

If people are so confident in thinking they know who votes for who then it's an ideal situation to use that to spring a surprise in the DR as nobody would suspect it? But they seem a bit limited in how they see the game in the house, this makes some HGs look a bit weak as players.

The main thing against Brendan was that he was seen as a competitor, and Shelly is seen as weaker and less of a threat to win. Although some in there like Porsche and Adam have little chance of winning anyway I expect.

[Bluerang1]

This season's first eviction could have gone either way. So it was a tad surprising.

[Macie Lightfoot]

Originally Posted by starry

If people are so confident in thinking they know who votes for who then it's an ideal situation to use that to spring a surprise in the DR as nobody would suspect it? But they seem a bit limited in how they see the game in the house, this makes some HGs look a bit weak as players.

The main thing against Brendan was that he was seen as a competitor, and Shelly is seen as weaker and less of a threat to win. Although some in there like Porsche and Adam have little chance of winning anyway I expect.

Well when there are only six voters, there's no way to hide your vote, simple as that. And you probably expect that about Adam and Porsche because you don't watch the feeds and they don't get any focus in episodes.

[Vladimir]

Spoiler:

Well, not this week. Even houseguests don't know who goes and who stays.

[Ryan.]

Originally Posted by Jords

On the actual night of the eviction, I dont think Ive ever been shocked on who has left. It really takes away the excitement that BBUK has on who will go!

Im not sure how they can combat this, maybe limiting the time in which the HGs can talk gameplay (say not allowed on Tuesdays)?
Another thing that seems to be pointless are the nominee speeches, I dont think since starting watching in BB12 theyve ever affected how another HG has voted. BB should try focus some more attention on them and instead of the general 'nicey' speeches offer deals or reveals straight out.

Seriously??

[LemonJam]

The way they used to edit it the evictions seemed at least to me much, much less predictable.

[Jords]

Originally Posted by Vladimir

Spoiler:

Well, not this week. Even houseguests don't know who goes and who stays.

LOL I was pretty sure Dani would go but its been the least predictable thats for sure

Originally Posted by Ryan.

Seriously??

Yeah why not, it would be interesting to see how the HGs interact on that day, guards would be down and paranoia would be high. I love the focus on gameplay in BBUS but they need to incorporate a little more fun.

[starry]

Dani's speech pretty much gave away the outcome of the first eviction, what's the point in speeches if that happens?