[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

Therefore you will love tribes such as the Masi Mari who rely heavily on animal products, drinking the animal's blood and many others who do the same thing?

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Intelligent people realise when someone refers to a 'couple' that that is who they were referring to, and not making a generalisation on all vegans.

If you need to question what the point of me posting that link: I suggest you read again the same wording that I referred you to in my previous post. Take the blinkers off and you might see the difference in what I said, and what you think I said.

I realize you said "couple" obviously. What I am saying is that your purpose for posting that link was to portray vegans in a poor way. Was it supposed to make vegans look good? I know what you said, I don't have blinkers on, and I know the effect that post was meant to have.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

That's hilarious. Everyone who knows me knows that I am one of the most accepting people alive. I love people who are different and teach me about religions and cultures and lifestyles that I never knew about before. The only things that I have a problem with are when people violate other's rights to live how they want to. And yes, that includes the rights of animals. People like to think that humans are special and what not, but we are just very intelligent animals... some of us more so than others. We don't have a right to needlessly take another animal's life.

Well, you're not in this instance. Anyway, I have absolutely nothing against you - except for this thing you've got on, which I think is wrong.

YOU'RE entitled to YOUR opinion but you shouldn't have a go at other people. We need meat. Do we need racists? No. Do we not homophobics? No. Do we need other twisted, perverted, arrogant little cows? No. Do people need meat, though? Yes. It is not your job to tell people what they can and cannot eat. If you don't like meat, absolutely fine. Just don't have a go at people who don't agree with you. That's very childish.

[spitfire]

Of course meat is murder.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Therefore you will love tribes such as the Masi Mari who rely heavily on animal products, drinking the animal's blood and many others who do the same thing?

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

Fair enough. I see you're really passionate about animals - which is fine. For the umpteenth time, though, just don't call people names because they don't share your views.

[Lee.]

Originally Posted by spitfire

Of course meat is murder.

Oh hello.. I'd forgotten all about you! You made me laugh so much last year.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Redway

Well, you're not in this instance. Anyway, I have absolutely nothing against you - except for this thing you've got on, which I think is wrong.

YOU'RE entitled to YOUR opinion but you shouldn't have a go at other people. We need meat. Do we need racists? No. Do we not homophobics? No. Do we need other twisted, perverted, arrogant little cows? No. Do people need meat, though? Yes. It is not your job to tell people what they can and cannot eat. If you don't like meat, absolutely fine. Just don't have a go at people who don't agree with you. That's very childish.

No we don't. It actually reduces high blood pressure, colon and prostate cancers, and heart disease if you don't consume animal products.

[Vicky.]

This thread has made me want a bacon sarnie now but I cant be bothered to cook

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Lee.

Im not looking for irate answers or an argument, but how do vegans get proper nourishment?

Omega 3 - fatty acids, is a problem. One of three crucial components being DHA.

• DHA is a long chain (22 carbon) fatty acid. It is found mostly in fatty fish, in small amounts in eggs, and in very small amounts in seaweed. It is a major component of the gray matter of the brain, and also found in the retina, testis, sperm, and cell membranes. Low levels of DHA have been associated with depression, and high levels and intake are associated with lower rates of heart disease.

Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Redway

Fair enough. I see you're really passionate about animals - which is fine. For the umpteenth time, though, just don't call people names because they don't share your views.

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

No, but I understand that because of the resources available to them it is a necessity for them to use animal products. It is unfortunate, but a cruel part of life. We are very lucky that we live in places where we don't have to use animal products.

Ah.... so again, you change your stance.

What about those who have intolerances to a vegan/veggie lifestyle - can do it, may wish to follow but will cause them discomfort as far as health is concerned.? do you hate them too .... after all, what's a bit of discomfort due to body intolerance vs an animal being killed?

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Omega 3 - fatty acids, is a problem. One of three crucial components being DHA.

• DHA is a long chain (22 carbon) fatty acid. It is found mostly in fatty fish, in small amounts in eggs, and in very small amounts in seaweed. It is a major component of the gray matter of the brain, and also found in the retina, testis, sperm, and cell membranes. Low levels of DHA have been associated with depression, and high levels and intake are associated with lower rates of heart disease.

Special vegan supplements are recommended, same for B12 vitamin. I'm sure our Vegan friend will confirm.

All of my foods give me adequate amounts of both. As I have said before, we are very lucky to live in a time and place in which these things are available to us.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

This thread has made me want a bacon sarnie now but I cant be bothered to cook

Order fish and chips. Or can you not be bothered getting the 'phone?

Originally Posted by swinearefine

No we don't. It actually reduces high blood pressure, colon and prostate cancers, and heart disease if you don't consume animal products.

Those are just some of the negatives, though - with a particular accentuation on red meat. There's a lot of positive involved, too.

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

That's totally fine. It's normal to get worked up in a debate! I don't agree, though, on the fact that meat is bad - because there's a lot more positive than negative involved - but it's your opinion and I'm not gonna change that. It's a free country. You do what's best for you.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Thank you! Everyone on here has been so savage just because I want cruelty to end. I didn't realize I was calling people names, but I suppose I just get really aggressive about this issue.

maybe not getting enough Omega 3 fatty acids then if you didn't realise calling people ignorant etc, unintelligent etc was name calling?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

All of my foods give me adequate amounts of both. As I have said before, we are very lucky to live in a time and place in which these things are available to us.

Really. you manage to get enough DHA? Call my cynical, but I don't believe you.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Ah.... so again, you change your stance.

What about those who have intolerances to a vegan/veggie lifestyle - can do it, may wish to follow but will cause them discomfort as far as health is concerned.? do you hate them too .... after all, what's a bit of discomfort due to body intolerance vs an animal being killed?

What are you talking about? I haven't changed my stance on veganism in two years. In many areas and times people do not have the ability to survive on vegan diets. For example, the Inuits ate pretty much entirely meat. They had to. Like carnivorous animals today, they have a right to life as well.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Redway

Order fish and chips. Or can you not be bothered getting the 'phone?

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk

[Chuck]

I have been a vegetarian for the past 7 years. I've never really liked eating meat though, when I was younger I didn't even eat fish or chicken because you can see the shape of the animal on your plate and I just couldn't eat it, I have always thought eating meat is vile and felt extremely guilty when I used to do so.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

What are you talking about? I haven't changed my stance on veganism in two years. In many areas and times people do not have the ability to survive on vegan diets. For example, the Inuits ate pretty much entirely meat. They had to. Like carnivorous animals today, they have a right to life as well.

You've certainly changed your stance on this thread: sometime you hate non vegan, sometimes you don't.

[swinearefine]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Really. you manage to get enough DHA? Call my cynical, but I don't believe you.

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk

Really? Shame. Fish is well decent.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Too late to order a big meal. And I cant eat fish, I'm masively allergic to the skin so cant take the risk

Be a devil, get it skinned and suck on the flesh .........

[Redway]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Be a devil, get it skinned and suck on the flesh .........

I love the way they fry them. Tastes epic. *Needs a moment to think about it.*

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by swinearefine

Many specifically vegan foods are fortified with them now. I used to take vitamins, but I actually don't have to now because of the foods I eat.

Okay - so you've confirmed my point about supplements being recommended. (note: I did state recommended in my earlier post).