[Vicky.]

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

[rk3388]

he said himself it was deliberate

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by rk3388

he said himself it was deliberate

Take it you didnt read the second part of my post...

[fingers]

Originally Posted by rk3388

he said himself it was deliberate

He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he?????

[Visage]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by fingers

He's a man with high principles he'd NEVER lie, would he?????

Oh he would (in my opinion) if it stopped him from having to admit he was wrong about something

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Visage

I thought it was him who made the mistake but rather yjan expose show his (what he might think) stupidity he opted for telling them the reason was because of Alex. Hence why he continued with this later talking to Faye.

He kind of did, and kind of didnt. As I say they had agreed to stick to who they were going to nominate before they switched seats. Which meant Aarons votes would have been Louise and Faye.

He made a mistake in the way that he didnt realise Louise already had 2 noms...but the first mistake was not his, or Lou/Faye would not have had 2 noms already when it came to Aarons turn :S

[MTVN]

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Was it Tom who messed it up, I think he was meant to vote for Alex but went for Louise?

I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

[Cromwell1900]

I thought it was Faye that went wrong as i was watching it, when Aaron said he had done it to save Alex i dismissed it.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

I think he might have, but then someone else must have messed up too as Faye had an extra vote to what she was supposed to aswell

Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Alex went for Faye instead of Aaron

And then Jay went for Faye instead of Louise, but he would have given Louise 3 if he'd stuck to it so that mistake stemmed from Toms one I think

[jet]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Here we go...I do not think that Aarons 'sabotage' was deliberate. At all.

Aaron didnt even make the first mistake. They all agreed to nom the two people to the side of them, started this, then BB made them switch. While switching, they decided to keep the SAME noms as they would have been doing if they hadnt switched. Most did this. But someone went wrong somewhere. As by the time it was Aarons turn to vote, Faye already had 2 noms, and lousie already had 2 noms...and Faye/Louise were meant to be Aarons votes(going on the first seating order, which is what they agreed). So someone had voted for Faye AND Louise when they werent supposed to.

I think Aaron figured out that Faye already had 2 (he would obviously be paying more attention to that than louise) but messed up on his counting. And still put Louise up, thinking she only had 1. And threw his other vote to Tom as he realized Tom was missing a vote. You could clearly see he was very confused during his nominations...he knew it had gone wrong somewhere

Then tried to justify his actions by saying he wanted to save Alex(and the crap about the HMS families etc.) instead of just admitting that he made a mistake. And pretty much dug himself into a massive hole, and then kept up the facade. He does tend to be quite stubborn and always wants to make out hes right or did things for a reason, rather than just admitting that hes human and makes mistakes sometimes :S

I will probably be blasted by some of the Aaron fans for the second part, as it kinda goes against the whole ' he did it to be nice to Alex' or 'to be true to himself' reasoning, but I honestly think this is what happened.

Yes, I noticed that too.

Aside from that:
Aaron's excuse in the DR was that he would never buckle where his principles are concerned - yet in the first round of noms he seemed happy to do just that, even though he had previously said he wouldn't. It was only when BB stopped the noms and said there would be serious consequences that he came over all principled. Was he worried they might reduce the prize money and/or he didn't want another spanner thrown into the works of his game plan?

[thefatfairy]

Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep.

[jet]

Originally Posted by thefatfairy

Aaron messed up the voting delibrately, he admitted it afterwards. Round about the same time he admitted that he would save Alex before saving Faye, the true colours had to come out at some stage... The guy is a total creep.

He sure is.

[fingers]

Let's hope he doesn't get to be a RICH creep!

[psychtracker]

I had the vibe that by the middle stage of noms, that they all knew the original plan was messed up, and they were just trying to even it up so everyone got two votes. Whether he intentionally gave Louise a 3rd vote, we'll probably never know. It would seem a bit surprising that he lost track, coz he appears quite sharp on calculations. Especially during the week when he influenced Jay to nominate Harry.

[Vicky.]

First round...vote 2 HMs to your left

Aaron.......Lou and Faye
Louise......Faye and Tom
Faye........Tom and Alex
Tom.........Alex and Jay
Alex..........Jay and Aaron
Jay...........Aaron and Lou

Then BB speaks and reshuffles Hms....Tom says remember who you voted for 1st time

Second round...and this is where it gets confusing as BB doesn't go around in order like the first time so they can't do the two to the left again

Tom....Jay and Lou
Faye....Alex and louise
Alex......Jay and Faye
Jay......Aaron and faye

This where it gets a mess

Aaron....Louise and Tom
Louise....Aaron and Faye

But the order they were seated in was...

Tom/Jay/Alex/Faye/louise/Aaron

So from the start of second round Tom buggered it by telling people to remember and didn't himself and then none of them did the 2 to the left from the beginning...

Stolen from DS. Was going to watch it again on catchup and do this myself, but someone else has done it already...so no need

[djr2514]

When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by djr2514

When bb made them redo the noms I heard Jay, and Tom say to just remember who nominated and nom them again. Well they started with Faye and she messed up first, because she was suppose to nom Tom and Alex, but for some reason she said Louise and Alex, and it all went downhill from there so when it got to Aaron they wanted to force him to nom Alex, which he didn't do the first time he nominated Louise and Faye but now Faye already has 2 noms and so he noms Tom instead and Louise, but to be fair Faye messed the noms up first and Louise isn't innocent either.

Tom was the first to nominate

[Pyramid*]

BB have been doing it since sh*tgate - ie: since the first few weeks. There is no way that Aaron would not have put Jay up for that reason - yet not a cheap of it at all.

If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.

This will likely be the last series I'll be watching with any real interest - because of this and the fact that it has been so very blatant, week after week.

[LeXcellence]

It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

[psychtracker]

No, as per the other thread "HL show lies AGAIN", and what was shown on BBOTS, she tried to nominate Tom, but BB disallowed it.

[psychtracker]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

If BB weren't getting the nominees they wanted, they simply chose to change the rules to suit.

Yep, they obviously didn't want them all up, nor 5 up. I assume they thought it'd turn the final into an anti-climax.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by LeXcellence

It still could have been all of them up. If Louise had have kept track she'd have seen that they could have all been up besides Alex if she voted for Tom second. He did look confused but yeah it's hard to tell if messed it up by accident.

She tried to do this, but BB disallowed the vote...