[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Incensed

So we can conclude that whilst he did eventually join in, he did ruin most of the evening for the rest of the HM's.

Funny, the only ones who seem to be bothered are Jay and Louise. Why were they so bothered about him taking time out...if they were so pissed with him?

He didnt appear to ruin the party for Alex and Tom. Which is whats most important

Also BBUKLive: 2223: There's an icy atmosphere between Jay and Louise and Aaron. The couple are avoiding him, and vice versa #BBUK suggests it was not just aaron causing this 'atmosphere' anyway...

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by Incensed

No?
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So we can conclude that whilst he did eventually join in, he did ruin most of the evening for the rest of the HM's.

Excellent summary, thanks for posting it!

[MTVN]

To be fair even with the argument Tom and Alex still went on about how it was the best birthday ever and what a great day they'd had

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

To be fair even with the argument Tom and Alex still went on about how it was the best birthday ever and what a great day they'd had

Exactly.

So the Aaron ruined their day argument just doesnt hold up. Yet people keep insisting that that was the case

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Funny, the only ones who seem to be bothered are Jay and Louise. Why were they so bothered about him taking time out...if they were so pissed with him?

He didnt appear to ruin the party for Alex and Tom. Which is whats most important

Also BBUKLive: 2223: There's an icy atmosphere between Jay and Louise and Aaron. The couple are avoiding him, and vice versa #BBUK suggests it was not just aaron causing this 'atmosphere' anyway...

Like I said earlier: if the pair of them wouldn't have been so sneaky, sly, and conniving: the situation would not have arisen for their to have been an atmosphere in the first place.

They started in - and it seems - they are the ones continuing it as well.

Guilty consciences - they aint have a buggar eh!

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Funny, the only ones who seem to be bothered are Jay and Louise. Why were they so bothered about him taking time out...if they were so pissed with him?

He didnt appear to ruin the party for Alex and Tom. Which is whats most important

Also BBUKLive: 2223: There's an icy atmosphere between Jay and Louise and Aaron. The couple are avoiding him, and vice versa #BBUK suggests it was not just aaron causing this 'atmosphere' anyway...

I'm merely presenting the facts, and the fact is that Aaron was in yet another strop. It was his friends birthday party but he couldn't put his displeasure at Jay and Louise buying them pressie's to one side. Instead he chose to be a miserable sod basically and I'm sure even if they haven't said so, they must have felt uncomfortable, anyone would.

Plus, I don't see it as 'taking time out' I see it as him being moody yet again

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

To be fair even with the argument Tom and Alex still went on about how it was the best birthday ever and what a great day they'd had

Well said. So the only ones who the night mattered to - the birthday boy and girl - they had a great day!

the only ones moaning about it all the time in the house, are the two housemates who are riddled with guilt (as well as fear, that they've made themselves look very bad).... : ie; Jay and Louise!

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by Incensed

I'm merely presenting the facts, and the fact is that Aaron was in yet another strop. It was his friends birthday party but he couldn't put his displeasure at Jay and Louise buying them pressie's to one side. Instead he chose to be a miserable sod basically and I'm sure even if they haven't said so, they must have felt uncomfortable, anyone would.

Plus, I don't see it as 'taking time out' I see it as him being moody yet again

Exactly like Jay and Louise did

Aaron did not make a big deal over the present thing, he spoke to Jay about it(when asked), who told Louise, and THEY then decided to make it into a huge deal.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Like I said earlier: if the pair of them wouldn't have been so sneaky, sly, and conniving: the situation would not have arisen for their to have been an atmosphere in the first place.

They started in - and it seems - they are the ones continuing it as well.

Guilty consciences - they aint have a buggar eh!

What for? Playing the game? Aaron had a chance to join in, he said no, which is fine, so why should they have to check with him if it's ok?

[fingers]

Anyway the voters will decide, not forumites!

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Incensed

What for? Playing the game? Aaron had a chance to join in, he said no, which is fine, so why should they have to check with him if it's ok?

Nope - for breaking a group agreement.

Shows they cannot be trusted.

I hope Tom understands when Jay and Louise also then break their agreement that they all made as a group too......

[Bill Carson]

If someone offers an olive leaf to you,it's always wise to accept,it takes a big heart to apologise (even if i disagree that Jay should apologise).aaron has a cold,cold unforgiving nature,it's as if he has never learned from lifes experiences.

[Incensed]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nope - for breaking a group agreement.

Shows they cannot be trusted.

I hope Tom understands when Jay and Louise also then break their agreement that they all made as a group too......

I may have missed it, but where did Aaron agree to buying the present?

[Mystic Mock]

What was also bad aswell is that Aaron actually does seem to get on with Alex in the house so what Jay and Louise done could have potentially made Aaron look spiteful in Alexs eyes which is what them two was hoping to achieve and they failed.

Also Aaron haters I understand that you dont like him but why do you keep pretending that his a passive agressive,if anything his more like Ben from last year in the fact that he takes the least agressive approach possible.

[MachoPoodle]

Originally Posted by jedward fever

Also Aaron haters I understand that you dont like him but why do you keep pretending that his a passive agressive,if anything his more like Ben from last year in the fact that he takes the least agressive approach possible.

I don't hate Aaron, don't care enough to (also I don't think hate is possible unless you know someone personally). That aside, are you actually serious with the quote above?

"Put simply passive aggressive behaviour is silent aggression. It is where you are angry with someone but do not or cannot tell them. It may involve, shutting off verbally, it may involve angry looks, obvious changes in behaviour, being obstructive, sulky or stonewalling. It is characterized by an indirect resistance to the demands of others and an avoidance of direct confrontation, as in procrastinating, evading, pouting, or deliberately creating confusion.

A passive aggressive individual doesn't always exhibit outward anger or appear malicious. At first glance, the behaviour might appears unassuming, gracious and benevolent; underneath there may be manipulation - hence the term "Passive-Aggressive".

Passive aggression is a destructive pattern of behaviour that can be seen as a form of emotional abuse in relationships that bites away at trust between people.

It is a creation of negative energy in the atmosphere which is clear to those involved and can create immense hurt and pain to those on the receiving end.

It is a manifestation of emotions and feelings that are being repressed on a self-imposed need for either dependence, acceptance or further avoidance of conflict and is marked by a persistent pattern of negative attitudes and passive resistance in interpersonal or work situations.

It can either be covert (concealed and hidden) or overt (blatant and obvious)."

Source: http://www.counselling-directory.org...sive-behaviour

[the-gaffer]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Apologising to Aaron and admitting he was wrong, oh yeah he's really playing the big man

So let me make sure I'm getting this right, you can be an aggressive bully and threaten to 'kick people's head's in' so long as when you calm down you say sorry?

Are you sure you live in a civilised world or has your cage got Internet access?

[tomflint]

Twitter Quote:

BBUKLive: 2256: Aaron is telling Jay and Louise about how upsetting Faye and Jem's burping task was. #BBUKLIVE
08-11-2011 11:59 PM

Looks like they are speaking again...

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by the-gaffer

So let me make sure I'm getting this right, you can be an aggressive bully and threaten to 'kick people's head's in' so long as when you calm down you say sorry?

Are you sure you live in a civilised world or has your cage got Internet access?

I said it on another thread earlier on to MTVN- when you live with someone like that, the apology normally comes the morning after you've spent the night in A&E - and it's the same excuse that Jay uses all the time....it's the person that they've directed the violence at, it's THEIR fault that they made them hit them.

I am astounded that there are people on here actually defending Jay's behaviour because he said sorry. In fact, I'm quite disgusted that anyone would think that's acceptable.

[Dastardley]

I loved tonights show......I enjoyed watchng Jay's meltdown, whimpering under the towels like a baby. Frustrated at not being able to give Aaron a belt no doubt....lol.

Then Aaron, not one to miss an opportunity, on hearing Jay's favourite song being played....Jumps to his feet....kicks off his slippers and starts to boogie along to Jay's music...Ya gotta hand it to Aaron he knows how to stick the knife in....and twist it....Way to go Aaron!!

[jill]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Damn Facebook Big Brother won't let me link to specific vid but on http://apps.facebook.com/bigbrother-uk/ it's the newest video: "Jay and Aaron make up" although I'm not sure if Aaron's fully accepted his apology yet

Say what you like about Jay but I think this shows he is genuine and does want to make up, this is the third time he's apologised and alright he gets a bit too angry sometimes but he's shown today that he can be mild mannered and reasonable as well, it's good to see

Edit - Youtube vid:

Youtube video

i agree with your quote in respect of Jay, he is a normal lad & very genuine & big brother u should have made Aron apoloise for all the past sulk,s & black mood,s he is acting out a new way to make him win & thats makeing Jay lose his temper,as his plan all went wrong, he a sad man acting like a spoilt brat ,he is causeing a very bad Atmosphere in house for ppl to enjoy the last few days ,by doing this he takes away the fun side of the other housemates ,A DECEITFUL person ,funny how indian food never gave him problems too night,but disagreed with him last week,,

[billy123]

I dont know why Jay bothers with the idiot any more he is so rude and obnoxious.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by the-gaffer

Are you sure you live in a civilised world or has your cage got Internet access?

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

I am astounded that there are people on here actually defending Jay's behaviour because he said sorry. In fact, I'm quite disgusted that anyone would think that's acceptable.

Is there really any need for this? Fed up of people being demeaning towards others because they have a different point of view

[kisywisy]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Nope - for breaking a group agreement.

Shows they cannot be trusted.

I hope Tom understands when Jay and Louise also then break their agreement that they all made as a group too......

would you agree that aaron cannot be trusted for breaking the group's agreement regarding face to face nominations??

[kisywisy]

Originally Posted by jill

i agree with your quote in respect of Jay, he is a normal lad & very genuine & big brother u should have made Aron apoloise for all the past sulk,s & black mood,s he is acting out a new way to make him win & thats makeing Jay lose his temper,as his plan all went wrong, he a sad man acting like a spoilt brat ,he is causeing a very bad Atmosphere in house for ppl to enjoy the last few days ,by doing this he takes away the fun side of the other housemates ,A DECEITFUL person ,funny how indian food never gave him problems too night,but disagreed with him last week,,

ooh!! i missed that

[flamingGalah!]

Originally Posted by soundslike

I wish people would give that sappy comment a rest! what do you think hes going to do kick through your tv screens and beat the living delights out of you. Have a word with yourselves!



And the other comment yes it has nothing to do with BB anyone can say anything about the hms.

Jay has said HIMSELF that he gets into lots of fights on the outside... He is the sort of bloke that loves to end a night out with a shag & a fight...

Originally Posted by bobnot

I dont know why Jay bothers with the idiot any more he is so rude and obnoxious.

Yes, Tom is indeed very rude & obnoxious. I'd actually add bitchy to that too...