[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Ah right. so let's go back to the beginning here then. The article is ambigious. Okay, I'll go with that - so because it is ambigous, you are ignoring what it says about Jay and his £15,000.

But when the same ambigious assumptions are made abour Aaron and his winnings.... you don't ignore that - yet you did when it is related to Jay.

I think that's highly hypocritical. In fact, it IS highly hypocritical. and to that end, there is absolutely no point in debating further with you - as you very much are on a one course direction - and showing complete inability to apply the same rules to one person, as you do another.

Nope. You've misunderstood.

Jay's Mum makes an explicit statement that Aaron has gone back on his deal. Nowhere is there anything said about Jay's deal, and his Mum doesn't even mention his prize money

I trust that's corrected you

[Angus]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah, I ****ing hate when they mess with the prize fund. You go in competing for a 100k and then they give away half of the money a week before the final

It was pretty obvious that it was done because they suspected Aaron would win, and were determined he wouldn't get the £100k

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Nope. You've misunderstood.

Jay's Mum makes an explicit statement that Aaron has gone back on his deal. Nowhere is there anything said about Jay's deal, and his Mum doesn't even mention his prize money

I trust that's corrected you

Please refrain from being patronising MTVN, there really is no need. thank you.

I would like you to show me where Jay and/or Aaron has confirmed anything regarding the money. Not some heresay from Jay's mother - who let's be honest, is whoring this as far as she possibly can. The way she's going on and has been, she's excelling Kerry Katona's mother. In fact, she could probably give her lessons!!

until then: consider your posts on this subject ignored.

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But she seems to think it's already been decided that the deal won't go ahead.. it seems odd that people are happy to criticise her but not to consider the possibility that what she says might be true

Surely Jay himself would have said something if this was the case.

Its just his mother sticking her nose in places it doesnt belong, its nowt to do with her. If Jay had a problem, I doubt he would be backwards in coming forwards about it.

If anything, her coming out with all this bollocks, might make Aaron less likely to split. Why should he when his character has already been tarnished about it(again) before hes even had a chance to sort it?

Foot in mouth syndrome, I think she has...

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pyramid*

Please refrain from being patronising MTVN, there really is no need. thank you.

I would like you to show me where Jay and/or Aaron has confirmed anything regarding the money. Not some heresay from Jay's mother - who let's be honest, is whoring this as far as she possibly can. The way she's going on and has been, she's excelling Kerry Katona's mother. In fact, she could probably give her lessons!!

until then: consider your posts on this subject ignored.

Don't tell me not to be patronising when you've just been very demeaning in calling me a hypocrite

Can't be bothered to address the second part of your post because you've clearly just ignored my points

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Surely Jay himself would have said something if this was the case.
Its just his mother sticking her nose in places it doesnt belong, its nowt to do with her. If Jay had a problem, I doubt he would be backwards in coming forwards about it.

If anything, her coming out with all this bollocks, might make Aaron less likely to split. Why should he when his character has already been tarnished about it(again) before hes even had a chance to sort it?

Foot in mouth syndrome, I think she has...

Exactly...it's not even Jay talking....how humiliating his mum feels the need to speak for him...she needs to go get the dinner on

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

She doesn't say that though, she makes no mention of any deal that Jay had

When if Jay had already honoured his deal, while Aaron didnt...I imagine she would have been the first to mention it

Shes just jumping the gun. The whole article is ridiculous, from her claiming Jay is the real winner, to her accusing Aaron of stuff there hasnt even been time to sort yet.

Throughout the series she has come across as a desperate tool tbh. I think shes just bitter that her very organised campaign did not work.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Surely Jay himself would have said something if this was the case.

Its just his mother sticking her nose in places it doesnt belong, its nowt to do with her. If Jay had a problem, I doubt he would be backwards in coming forwards about it.

If anything, her coming out with all this bollocks, might make Aaron less likely to split. Why should he when his character has already been tarnished about it(again) before hes even had a chance to sort it?

Foot in mouth syndrome, I think she has...

I'd say she is doing more damage to Jay's credibility (I know, even that's a contradiction in terms), but she is.

It was much the same with all her desperate tweets to Cheryl Tweedy, Ant and Dec etc.

She's going to end up costing him a lot of fans who will be sick to the back teeth of her interferring and causing more trouble when neither Jay or Aaron have spoken up about this.

God good, the woman could not be more bitter if she tried - and it is so incredibly obvious that she is as pissed off to Hell that her son didn't win.

Maybe she should spend more time teaching him to be less aggressive, less violent and have better toilet habits: then perhaps he'd be able to make a decent living, instead of whoring himself on reality type tv shows. You'd think he 'd get the message by now: he's a bad 'un and 2 reality tv shows later - should start homing that message to him. (and her)

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Surely Jay himself would have said something if this was the case.

Its just his mother sticking her nose in places it doesnt belong, its nowt to do with her. If Jay had a problem, I doubt he would be backwards in coming forwards about it.

If anything, her coming out with all this bollocks, might make Aaron less likely to split. Why should he when his character has already been tarnished about it(again) before hes even had a chance to sort it?

Foot in mouth syndrome, I think she has...

But she seems to think Jay isn't bothered, I admit that does sound odd when we're talking about such a large amount of money though. I'm happy to wait until we know the full story, but it does seem to me that the deals not going to go ahead, for whatever reason.

[Vicky.]

Personally I think she wants to launch her own media career off the back of her sons 'success'

[Vicky.]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But she seems to think Jay isn't bothered, I admit that does sound odd when we're talking about such a large amount of money though. I'm happy to wait until we know the full story, but it does seem to me that the deals not going to go ahead, for whatever reason.

If thats the that case, then why is SHE bothered?

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

Personally I think she wants to launch her own media career off the back of her sons 'success'

She could be the modern day version of "Witchypoo".

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by MTVN

But she seems to think Jay isn't bothered, I admit that does sound odd when we're talking about such a large amount of money though. I'm happy to wait until we know the full story, but it does seem to me that the deals not going to go ahead, for whatever reason.

...I can actually believe that..he wasn't that fussed on spending the £500 on Tom...because he wasn't used to having that sort of money..and now I guess he's doing publicity and photo shoots and has more money coming in anyway...they have the time of their life when they come out.....mum's probably p*ssed because he hasn't had time to text her...she's just trying to get Jay's attention

[bartraml]

Wow -- all this talk is crazy. I really enjoy the BBUK version-- in some ways more than the version we have in the US. I like the weekly vote going to the fans a lot. One thing about the US version is definitely better. The contracts are binding and the rules can not be altered at any point. We call that FRAUD and there's even a special commission set-up to patrol Game Show/ Reality Show Prize $$ Fraud. How do we know BB wasn't aware with all the previous vote percentages that Aaron was a shoe-in so they took half the money away from him and gave the others half?
Since there are no live feeds we have nothing but their word for anything. I know it's it their contract that BB can change the rules at anytime but isn't there a law against GRAND LARCENY in the UK????

[BBFanDan]

Jay's mom must be so bitter. Actually funny! Ah, reminds me she was trying to get replies from Cheryl Cole on Twitter...

Keep your money Aaron

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bartraml

Wow -- all this talk is crazy. I really enjoy the BBUK version-- in some ways more than the version we have in the US. I like the weekly vote going to the fans a lot. One thing about the US version is definitely better. The contracts are binding and the rules can not be altered at any point. We call that FRAUD and there's even a special commission set-up to patrol Game Show/ Reality Show Prize $$ Fraud. How do we know BB wasn't aware with all the previous vote percentages that Aaron was a shoe-in so they took half the money away from him and gave the others half?
Since there are no live feeds we have nothing but their word for anything. I know it's it their contract that BB can change the rules at anytime but isn't there a law against GRAND LARCENY in the UK????

No. we're very laid back...a shake of the hand don't you know.......LOL

[Samuel.]

I doubt Jay or Jay's mum even know if the deals going to go ahead or not. Probably haven't even spoken to Aaron since the final. Jay's mum is most likely just assuming the worst.

[bartraml]

Originally Posted by Ammi

No. we're very laid back...a shake of the hand don't you know.......LOL

To clarify, I wasn't belittling British law or it's people --- just BBUK/Channel 5/Endemol

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bartraml

Wow -- all this talk is crazy. I really enjoy the BBUK version-- in some ways more than the version we have in the US. I like the weekly vote going to the fans a lot. One thing about the US version is definitely better. The contracts are binding and the rules can not be altered at any point. We call that FRAUD and there's even a special commission set-up to patrol Game Show/ Reality Show Prize $$ Fraud. How do we know BB wasn't aware with all the previous vote percentages that Aaron was a shoe-in so they took half the money away from him and gave the others half?
Since there are no live feeds we have nothing but their word for anything. I know it's it their contract that BB can change the rules at anytime but isn't there a law against GRAND LARCENY in the UK????

Even better: in Scotland, word can be regarded as legally binding in some cases.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bartraml

To clarify, I wasn't belittling British law or it's people --- just BBUK/Channel 5/Endemol

Are you talking about the changing of the prize fund to £50,000 for the winner?...I presume that comes under the 'BB can change the rules at any time and make it up as they go along...'...I honestly don't know what contract is signed by the H.M's regarding the actual prize money amount...but Aaron would do well to check that out

[bartraml]

Originally Posted by Ammi

Are you talking about the changing of the prize fund to £50,000 for the winner?...I presume that comes under the 'BB can change the rules at any time and make it up as they go along...'...I honestly don't know what contract is signed by the H.M's regarding the actual prize money amount...but Aaron would do well to check that out

Absolutely. How can there be any integrity when one side can change things midstream while the other may not? That's always been my only problem with the UK version. We may have insane taxes here but if we're hired for $100k they have to pay $100k. Also, in the US when you're on BB you get a stipend -- over $750.00 week for every week you're on a Reality-based game show. That way the network can't make money without paying all the contestants. That's US law -- I don't thing Endemol/CBS would pay if they didn't have to.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by bartraml

Absolutely. How can there be any integrity when one side can change things midstream while the other may not? That's always been my only problem with the UK version. We may have insane taxes here but if we're hired for $100k they have to pay $100k. Also, in the US when you're on BB you get a stipend -- over $750.00 week for every week you're on a Reality-based game show. That way the network can't make money without paying all the contestants. That's US law -- I don't thing Endemol/CBS would pay if they didn't have to.

It is something that I DO agree is wrong. But clearly their lawyers have got it covered, otherwise they would not get away with it.

[Scotty07]

After the way he's been treated throughout the entire series and since he's come out and today's pathetic 5 minute winners interview on OKTV, he deserves the lot imo, whether he agreed to split it or not.

Either way, he's still the greatest ever housemate in BBUK history imo.

I think I might go outside now and set off some fireworks in my Aaron wins BB12 t-shirt.

[Pyramid*]

Originally Posted by Scotty07

After the way he's been treated throughout the entire series and since he's come out and today's pathetic 5 minute winners interview on OKTV, he deserves the lot imo, whether he agreed to split it or not.

Either way, he's still the greatest ever housemate in BBUK history imo.

I think I might go outside now and set off some fireworks in my Aaron wins BB12 t-shirt.

Take some of my Tibbs Aaron Million Dollars to go buy a really expensive lot: in fact, use some of it to bring in a reputable Pyrotechnic company: if a job's worth doing, it's worth doing right.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bartraml

Absolutely. How can there be any integrity when one side can change things midstream while the other may not? That's always been my only problem with the UK version. We may have insane taxes here but if we're hired for $100k they have to pay $100k. Also, in the US when you're on BB you get a stipend -- over $750.00 week for every week you're on a Reality-based game show. That way the network can't make money without paying all the contestants. That's US law -- I don't thing Endemol/CBS would pay if they didn't have to.

..yes the changing of the prize fund was very shabby indeed. It's like being on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire and on the last question, being told you'll only get half a million if you get it right, I assume they can do it, legally, I mean, but it was wrong and if I were Aaron I certainly would have a solicitor check it out...I would certainly be furious, if I was Aaron